next year

[shoxlax]

From Sully:

Burns was another Gene recruit who was signed in Nov 2012

[Cdizzle]

Such a meteoric decline that it involved Top 25 teams playing in/hosting super regionals 2 and 3 years after.

[ShockerFever]

Such a meteoric decline that it involved Top 25 teams playing in/hosting super regionals 2 and 3 years after.

Yah, SB is a bit off with his logic. Looking for an ax to grind.

[shockmonster]

This was an unfortunate statement to make and will live in Shocker "infamy" for years to come.........

"we’ve done all we can do at Wichita State”

It does make a statement about Gene's perspective on Wichita State. The ironic fact is that Gregg Marshall has shot holes in his logic. Modern day Wichita State has a very high ceiling.

[shockfan89_]

This was an unfortunate statement to make and will live in Shocker "infamy" for years to come.........

"we’ve done all we can do at Wichita State”

It does make a statement about Gene's perspective on Wichita State. The ironic fact is that Gregg Marshall has shot holes in his logic. Modern day Wichita State has a very high ceiling.

I guess it is how you take the quote. I have always wondered how that quote bothered so many people. When I heard it, I heard 'we have played at the highest level, won a National Championship, been the winningest college baseball team in the 80's and the 90's, now it's time for us to prove we can do this somewhere else'. Gene and his staff always heard 'sure you can win in the MVC but it would be different if you were in the Big 8 or Big 12'.

[SB Shock]

Such a meteoric decline that it involved Top 25 teams playing in/hosting super regionals 2 and 3 years after.

He rode that talent he had in the program, but it was a meteoric decline after the depth of talent was gone. After reading the testimony from NCAA investigation in the violations in his program, it was clear that his personal and health problems probably kept him from recruiting (and overseeing) at the level he needed to sustain the program. Had he been able to bring in a younger guy (or even a head-coach in waiting) who was hungry to make a name for himself and go out and recruit far and wide (like Marshall surrounds himself) - things could have been different.

[Cdizzle]

He rode that talent he had in the program, but it was a meteoric decline after the depth of talent was gone. After reading the testimony from NCAA investigation in the violations in his program, it was clear that his personal and health problems probably kept him from recruiting (and overseeing) at the level he needed to sustain the program. Had he been able to bring in a younger guy (or even a head-coach in waiting) who was hungry to make a name for himself and go out and recruit far and wide (like Marshall surrounds himself) - things could have been different.

Meh. There was a ton of recruited talent in the years following the almost move to OU. In fact, I thought that was almost an inflection point that reversed some of the decline of the early 2000s. The pitching was great, and the talent that went through WSU, or committed to WSU but signed pro has a number of names that have spent a lot of regular time in the big leagues. I'm not saying things were all hunky-dory, but sometimes we see some of what we want to see as well.

[shockmonster]

I guess it is how you take the quote. I have always wondered how that quote bothered so many people. When I heard it, I heard 'we have played at the highest level, won a National Championship, been the winningest college baseball team in the 80's and the 90's, now it's time for us to prove we can do this somewhere else'. Gene and his staff always heard 'sure you can win in the MVC but it would be different if you were in the Big 8 or Big 12'.

From complaints that Gene made many times that recruiting to Wichita State was so difficult, and how they were overcoming the inadequacies of the university, I definitely took his infamous statement to say that we have won a NC and been successful for many years, and the decline from our top perch is inevitable and happening as we accept this job at OU where we can again achieve success because of the resources that we will have at our disposal.

[shockfan89_]

He rode that talent he had in the program, but it was a meteoric decline after the depth of talent was gone. After reading the testimony from NCAA investigation in the violations in his program, it was clear that his personal and health problems probably kept him from recruiting (and overseeing) at the level he needed to sustain the program. Had he been able to bring in a younger guy (or even a head-coach in waiting) who was hungry to make a name for himself and go out and recruit far and wide (like Marshall surrounds himself) - things could have been different.

And this is where I blame ADES and Gene! Gene wanted to coach and deserved to after doing so much for so long with so little, the problem is his mean Gene, stubborn attitude wouldn't listen to anyone else. Sure Gene was difficult to deal with, Marshall can be too, that is why they are successful. It was/is ADES' job as a leader to find common ground with difficult coaches and work with them, explain to Gene that ADES wanted the winningest all time coach in college baseball to be at WSU but for this to happen he needed to hire a younger assistant or coach in waiting. Instead of contributing to the decline by not extending Gene's contract, ADES should have extended it with a provision in place to hire a coach in waiting (like maybe a Hooper). Be creative, don't tarnish a great legacy by also being stubborn.

I couldn't care less if the AD likes our coaches or if our coaches like our AD. What I do care about is going to that amazing stadium that Gene built (maybe more than any other single person has ever done to build a college program) and not see his name associated with anything. It's a travesty that should embarrass every WSU player and fan (past or present) and ADES has to own that!

[shockfan89_]

From complaints that Gene made many times that recruiting to Wichita State was so difficult, and how they were overcoming the inadequacies of the university, I definitely took his infamous statement to say that we have won a NC and been successful for many years, and the decline from our top perch is inevitable and happening as we accept this job at OU where we can again achieve success because of the resources that we will have at our disposal.

I can understand that but come on. Gene told us every year, even during the unprecedented College World Series runs, how hard it was and how bad they were going to be. He just liked to have that chip on his shoulder to motivate the coaches and the players.

[shockmonster]

And this is where I blame ADES and Gene! Gene wanted to coach and deserved to after doing so much for so long with so little, the problem is his mean Gene, stubborn attitude wouldn't listen to anyone else. Sure Gene was difficult to deal with, Marshall can be too, that is why they are successful. It was/is ADES' job as a leader to find common ground with difficult coaches and work with them, explain to Gene that ADES wanted the winningest all time coach in college baseball to be at WSU but for this to happen he needed to hire a younger assistant or coach in waiting. Instead of contributing to the decline by not extending Gene's contract, ADES should have extended it with a provision in place to hire a coach in waiting (like maybe a Hooper). Be creative, don't tarnish a great legacy by also being stubborn.

I couldn't care less if the AD likes our coaches or if our coaches like our AD. What I do care about is going to that amazing stadium that Gene built (maybe more than any other single person has ever done to build a college program) and not see his name associated with anything. It's a travesty that should embarrass every WSU player and fan (past or present) and ADES has to own that!

At one time, ADES couldn't have touched Gene. He had the support of all of the big donors and most of the fans. He lost most of that support and it wasn't just because he wasn't winning as much as he used to. He forgot to continue to nurture his relationships and felt tht he was the program instead of it's care taker. He built his own career grave, and you are one of the last to not recognize it.

[billybud]

To try out, does an athlete already have to be an enrolled student?

I know that preferred walk ons have been invited to be a member of the team, just without the benefits of scholarship. They are essentially recruited and are team members...right?

[strongisbeautiful17]

I guess I just haven't adjusted to this over recruiting and turning over 1/3 to 1/4 of the team every year when it's not due to graduation or draft. I follow college sports instead of pro because I like the concept of recruiting and coaching players not offering scholarships to incoming players every year and pulling them from guys that a year or two ago you thought were good enough to recruit but now you see something shiny and new. Free agency drove me from watching pro sports and now college is becoming more and more like that.

Can a coach really build a winning program with consistency if they continue to "recruit to replace" instead of "recruit to fill"? I get the guessing game of the draft. I would think you would build a stronger program by building a consistent program of players who buy into your program, are committed to the coaching staff and build a solid brotherhood with a focus on playing together, building a winning program, and staying with a program for at least 3 years in the hopes of possibly getting drafted. Watching the past 2 years I get the heavy feeling of inconsistency, disarray, players who lack confidence in what their role is for the first half of the season and then they settle into their role and start winning some ball games. The "guessing game" should be at the end of each season with the excitement and anticipation of the draft, not at the beginning of each new season when everyone including the coaching staff is trying to figure out the roles of each new player and who to ax after they have been promised the world. Parents and Athletes really need to take a hard look at what they are stepping into before they throw away one year of eligibility, unless they enjoy entering into a "Las Vegas" crap shoot.

[shockmonster]

Can a coach really build a winning program with consistency if they continue to "recruit to replace" instead of "recruit to fill"? I get the guessing game of the draft. I would think you would build a stronger program by building a consistent program of players who buy into your program, are committed to the coaching staff and build a solid brotherhood with a focus on playing together, building a winning program, and staying with a program for at least 3 years in the hopes of possibly getting drafted. Watching the past 2 years I get the heavy feeling of inconsistency, disarray, players who lack confidence in what their role is for the first half of the season and then they settle into their role and start winning some ball games. The "guessing game" should be at the end of each season with the excitement and anticipation of the draft, not at the beginning of each new season when everyone including the coaching staff is trying to figure out the roles of each new player and who to ax after they have been promised the world. Parents and Athletes really need to take a hard look at what they are stepping into before they throw away one year of eligibility, unless they enjoy entering into a "Las Vegas" crap shoot.

Money that is paid in later rounds these days does not allow anyone to accurately predict what will happen. Dusty Coleman and Logan Watkins are examples of lower draft picks we thought we'd keep and predicted wrong. It's changed how the draft is viewed b

[KansasShocker]

@shockermo:nster, is that still true with the new rules of the draft? I am familiar with colemans situation but I thought the draft was trying to take care of that situation and made some changes. Correct me if I'm wrong