A look ahead

[tru2thaduce]

I'm a little bit peeved about Garrett not being on the team.He proved that he can pitch at a very high level his Freshman season.He was given a very short leash by Kemnitz this season.I don't know the whole back story on why he won't be here next year but I hate that he won't be.I had envisioned him as the Sunday starter next season.

[KansasShocker]

Had a short leash from Kemnitz? Try the other guy that makes mound visits.

[shockmonster]

Had a short leash from Kemnitz? Try the other guy that makes mound visits.

What was his ERA?

[KansasShocker]

Shockermonster, no argument from me. I'm just simply saying it's not a fair statement to say Kemnitz had a short leash when HCTB is the one that brings in and takes out pitchers from the game. My opinion on what happened to brummet is pretty simple, he had a rough start early in the year and then it seemed to me he was just in his own head for the rest of the season. If you think about it he has probably never struggled, a guy like him I am sure had huge success in HS and then we all know how he dominated last year. Dealing with failure is something everyone goes through at some point and this may have been his first time trying to deal with it. Just my two cents, any other opinions?

[shockmonster]

Shockermonster, no argument from me. I'm just simply saying it's not a fair statement to say Kemnitz had a short leash when HCTB is the one that brings in and takes out pitchers from the game. My opinion on what happened to brummet is pretty simple, he had a rough start early in the year and then it seemed to me he was just in his own head for the rest of the season. If you think about it he has probably never struggled, a guy like him I am sure had huge success in HS and then we all know how he dominated last year. Dealing with failure is something everyone goes through at some point and this may have been his first time trying to deal with it. Just my two cents, any other opinions?

I wouldn't quibble with your analysis. It may be right or not. However, it is unfair to characterize an ERA of 13+ to having a short leash. Anyone who knows the college game understands that you have to produce when you get opportunities (and the season isn't as long as one may think) or you lose further opportunities. And I just don't believe that BK didn't have a lot of input into the potential ability of Brummet when it comes to his pitching staff. BK knows Brummet. This is not a decision that Butler made on his own (although he obviously does have the final veto).

[KansasShocker]

I am actually very very familiar with the college game.

[shockmonster]

I am actually very very familiar with the college game.

Of course you are.

[tru2thaduce]

A kid with a 1.16 era in 38 2/3 innings as a freshman should have been given a chance to work through a rough patch.I may have been wrong thinking the leash was put on by BK but I assumed he was more familer with the staff than Butler thus had the first input on when a pitcher was done.Gardner got more time to work through his troubles and Garrett got buried.Yes he had a double diger Era this year but the sample was very small.

[KansasShocker]

Don't argue with Shockermonster, he has watched a couple games so he knows.

[1972Shocker]

The advantatges the coaching staff has is that they see these guys a lot more than any of us fans do (I think) and they see them up close. Furthermore, they no doubt have a few evaluation tools at their disposal such as radar gun readings and performance in intrasquad games.

What we do know is coaches want to win assuming they value their jobs. For some reason or reasons the Coaching staff lost confidence in Garrett to get the job done. Perhaps the scouting reports simply caught up with Garrett. Maybe someone figured out he was tipping his pitches and that info got passed around. Granted 7 appearance and 12 innings is not a big sample size but is 1/3rd of what he pitched last year. Allowing 18 earned runs and allowing opponents to hit just under 0.400 in those appearances may have not only shaken the confidence of the Coaches but perhaps Garrett's own self-confidence. Obviously, if he had been more effective he would have pitched a lot more.

Hard to say what dynamics were at work here. Hopefully, Garrett will find someplace were he will be both happy and successful.

[shockmonster]

KS if you want to argue that's up to you because I'm sure that you know your college baseball. My point was simply that if BK believed in Garrett as much as you do, he'd still be at WSU. For all we know he was offered a chance to walk on and make the squad and he turned it down. His dad may have enough connections to catch Jim on somewhere else. Butler has said that he wants to go back to Omaha and he is making the moves necessary. I would that is what we all want.

[ShockTalk]

A kid with a 1.16 era in 38 2/3 innings as a freshman should have been given a chance to work through a rough patch.I may have been wrong thinking the leash was put on by BK but I assumed he was more familer with the staff than Butler thus had the first input on when a pitcher was done.Gardner got more time to work through his troubles and Garrett got buried.Yes he had a double diger Era this year but the sample was very small.

I looked further into Garrett's appearances. He started the season as the 3rd starter. He was effective in his first start (4 innings, 1 hit, 0 runs), but the game was a runaway and 5 other pitchers got to pitch an inning a piece. His next game was not good. After that game, Tewes became the 3rd starter. Garrett got 2 more mid-week starts that were not effective. At that time, he had the 4th most starts, Gardner had 3 (he, too, had been pulled quickly in poor starts).

However, Kris was effective pitching 3 relief innings, no runs, the game prior to Garrett's 4th start. Kris then became the #4 starter and was effective his next 3 games. Garrett went to the pen where he had 1 good outing (1 inning, 0 hits/runs) sandwiched between two relief appearances where he went a total of 2/3 of an inning, 7 hits, 6 runs, 2 wild pitches.

Kris earned getting the #4 starter job and it would appear Garrett buried himself. Taking out his first start and 1 effective relief job, Garrett had the following line:

5 games (3 starts), 6 2/3 innings, 22 hits (7 doubles, 2 HRs), 18 earned runs, 168 pitches. Very, very unfortunate.

I hope he gets back to his old self and wish him the very best.

[Ricardo del Rio]

A kid with a 1.16 era in 38 2/3 innings as a freshman should have been given a chance to work through a rough patch.I may have been wrong thinking the leash was put on by BK but I assumed he was more familer with the staff than Butler thus had the first input on when a pitcher was done.Gardner got more time to work through his troubles and Garrett got buried.Yes he had a double diger Era this year but the sample was very small.

Maybe personal problems. You know the usual reasons - girlfriend, grades, home sick, etc.

What was the former shortstop's name, who had girlfriend problems explode on him right before the Shocks went to Springfield for a weekend set. He was from Winfield or Wellington.

At Springfield, he could not field a ball or throw it to first base. In short, he could not find his butt with both hands. It was pretty sad. I was there to see it in all its glory.

His name is right on the tip of my tongue. Tanner something. Something Tanner. Maybe. Welch? I am still guessing.

Since it appears that there is not any poster, who actually knows the reason for dismissal, I suggest go slow in the blame game. On the other hand, if we stick to the facts, there will be less food fights.

[shox1989]

Maybe personal problems. You know the usual reasons - girlfriend, grades, home sick, etc.

What was the former shortstop's name, who had girlfriend problems explode on him right before the Shocks went to Springfield for a weekend set. He was from Winfield or Wellington.

At Springfield, he could not field a ball or throw it to first base. In short, he could not find his butt with both hands. It was pretty sad. I was there to see it in all its glory.

His name is right on the tip of my tongue. Tanner something. Something Tanner. Maybe. Welch? I am still guessing.

Since it appears that there is not any poster, who actually knows the reason for dismissal, I suggest go slow in the blame game. On the other hand, if we stick to the facts, there will be less food fights.

It was Tanner Welch. It did seem to me that Garrett didn't get a chance to dig himself out. You would think a guy that had such a great freshmen year would have been given another opportunity to turn it back around. I have a feeling he just doesn't throw hard enough to please the head coach. I have a feeling he will do well wherever he ends up.

[shockmonster]

It was Tanner Welch. It did seem to me that Garrett didn't get a chance to dig himself out. You would think a guy that had such a great freshmen year would have been given another opportunity to turn it back around. I have a feeling he just doesn't throw hard enough to please the head coach. I have a feeling he will do well wherever he ends up.

I don't know what happened but I remember Arkansas having quite a few low velocity pitchers that had success in the past. I don't see good baseball coaches making decisions solely on this basis. I don't see it.