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  • #31
    So many say Butler buried the program. I don't believe that to be so. Did they play up to expectations, NO. 11 games under .500 over 6 seasons isn't that bad, there are far worse that could have happened. He didn't leave the cupboard bare either. There are plenty of pieces to build a respectable program. Although a big Wedge supporter he will have to prove himself a recruiter, which Butler did, just could not get the boys to produce results equal to talent on field, time will tell.

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    • WheatShock
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      Any number of games under .500 over a 5+ year span for a program with WSU's history and resources is BAD. I think its fair to say that the cupboard isn't bare but 4 losing seasons in 6 years is just plain bad especially when you consider that Gene never had a losing season.

  • #32
    Originally posted by Shocktheheck View Post
    So many say Butler buried the program. I don't believe that to be so. Did they play up to expectations, NO. 11 games under .500 over 6 seasons isn't that bad, there are far worse that could have happened. He didn't leave the cupboard bare either. There are plenty of pieces to build a respectable program. Although a big Wedge supporter he will have to prove himself a recruiter, which Butler did, just could not get the boys to produce results equal to talent on field, time will tell.
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    • #33
      Originally posted by Shocktheheck View Post
      So many say Butler buried the program. I don't believe that to be so. Did they play up to expectations, NO. 11 games under .500 over 6 seasons isn't that bad, there are far worse that could have happened. He didn't leave the cupboard bare either. There are plenty of pieces to build a respectable program. Although a big Wedge supporter he will have to prove himself a recruiter, which Butler did, just could not get the boys to produce results equal to talent on field, time will tell.
      You do realize that we fired a coach that had won a National Championship for being 89 games OVER .500 his last 6 seasons right? 11 games under .500 is TERRIBLE!!! Butler was 100 games worse than fHCGS during Stephenson's final 6 seasons.

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      • Shocktheheck
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        I didn't say letting Gene go was the right thing to do or that Butler was the right hire. Just that things could be worse. Basketball with Cohen leaving with absolutely no talent on the floor, years of rebuild , etc. it's not like this group can't compete hopefully leadership can help them with the talent they process.

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    • #34
      That is pretty sobering

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      • #35
        Originally posted by Shocktheheck View Post
        So many say Butler buried the program. I don't believe that to be so. Did they play up to expectations, NO. 11 games under .500 over 6 seasons isn't that bad, there are far worse that could have happened. He didn't leave the cupboard bare either. There are plenty of pieces to build a respectable program. Although a big Wedge supporter he will have to prove himself a recruiter, which Butler did, just could not get the boys to produce results equal to talent on field, time will tell.
        He was well on his way to throwing the last bit of dirt on it. It says quite a bit when “bark at the park” was the highest attended game . Glad to see that nightmare over.

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        • #36
          I think that overall the baseball talent on this team was pretty good. We lacked pitching, especially a pitching Ace and player to shut the door. Last year, if we weren't hitting homers, we'd lose, and it is impossible for a team to live off of home runs. They don't happen every night so we couldn't compete in the American conference and took last or next to last.

          I didn't pay a lot of attention this year, but it seemed like our pitchers were inconsistent. No Dreiforts, Loopers, Brummett's, etc. And he couldn't teach our players how to "win". In the past, our players hated to lose.

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