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[DaShox]

You aren't the sharpest tack in the box are ya?

[ShockTalk]

I thought maybe the fire Gene/fire J.T. squadron wanted to hire a known hitter.

One poster mentioned Hibbs, probably more for his head coaching experience, his years as an assistant to Gene (including 4 CWS) and connection to the area than his hitting. Given all this and his age, he might be someone who BK would continue to coach at WSU with. That being said, I certainly don't know if he'd be my choice or if he'd come anyway.

Let's see. You've mentioned Phil Stephenson, Keven Hopper, a Pat Magness like hitter, and Tony Gwynn in this thread. Have I missed anyone? Just who has this "squadron" mentioned and who said "to hire a known hitter"? Isn't that what JT was?

By the way, per my question to you earlier, how well have the Shox faired offensively since Phil's one year of volunteering?

[DaShox]

Currently, 67% want all of them/JT fired. I would think 58 qualifies as a squadron. None of them gave any solution as to who to hire (no surprise there).

Well, if you hired a new hitting coach, you wouldn't hire an unknown hitter would you? In another thread, someone suggested Mark Standiford. He is a known hitter. John Lewallen would be an unknown hitter. Got it?

Per your other question, I think I've done enough heavy lifting.

[ShockerFever]

Wow, this gives the word rambling a whole new meaning...

So since you're slamming everybody for wanting JT and/or Gene let go, why don't you give some reasons why you think he/they should stay?

I don't get it. Do you want JT/Gene let go or not? You seem to be constantly wavering back and forth and dropping some weird factoids out there that serve little to no purpose to the original premise.

The program has taken a pretty big hit over the years, especially in the offense department. Is that just sheer coincidence, a weird trend, or maybe perhaps it's the people in charge getting the 6-digit paychecks every year?

Provide us a solution since we clearly have none, Great One.

[DaShox]

From page #1:
"Would I be upset if JT got the pink slip? No."

Yeah. I'm such a waffler.

[GoShockers89]

Guys, he's clearly got a brain tumor. Just stop.

[DaShox]

History tells us that hitting coaches have not cured our ills. It's pure bs. Need a new pitching coach too? bs. You are the ones with the brain tumor.

Per Bob Lutz' article:
"This season, the Shockers' 3.27 ERA ranks #33 nationally, in the the top 15 percent".

Yes. Let's fire Brent. This is why you do what you do and you are not an AD. Okie dokie?

"Before 2005, the Shockers' team batting average was below .300 once (1990) in 27 seasons under Gene Stephenson."

Who was the hitting coach in 1990? Loren Hibbs. Hey...isn't that who you all want to hire? Good choice! Awesome! You are 2 for 2! Way to go!

"O'Brien was the only Shocker player to bat higher than .300. If O'Brien can hit .410 with these bats, it's fair to wonder why others aren't doing the same."

Hey....didn't I raise this very point? Hmmm.

I have a theory. It's kind of out there. It's the players. Or lack thereof. Of course, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong.

[ShockTalk]

History tells us that hitting coaches have not cured our ills. It's pure bs. Need a new pitching coach too? bs. You are the ones with the brain tumor.

Per Bob Lutz' article:
"This season, the Shockers' 3.27 ERA ranks #33 nationally, in the the top 15 percent".

Yes. Let's fire Brent. This is why you do what you do and you are not an AD. Okie dokie?

"Before 2005, the Shockers' team batting average was below .300 once (1990) in 27 seasons under Gene Stephenson."

Who was the hitting coach in 1990? Loren Hibbs. Hey...isn't that who you all want to hire? Good choice! Awesome! You are 2 for 2! Way to go!

"O'Brien was the only Shocker player to bat higher than .300. If O'Brien can hit .410 with these bats, it's fair to wonder why others aren't doing the same."

Hey....didn't I raise this very point? Hmmm.

I have a theory. It's kind of out there. It's the players. Or lack thereof. Of course, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong.

Dude, you are beyond reason. Most here have said nothing about firing BK, yet you try to lump anyone who disagrees with you on any one point into one large group

As far as the Hibbs jab goes, I know, you'd rather have the guy who's been under .300 5 of the last 7 years over a guy who was under only once (.298), the year after a CWS title.

Oh, and the players are out there, they're just not here. As the article pointed out, we were 146th of 292 DI teams in batting average this year.

I sincerely hope that the new players can turn WSU's fortunes back into a top 40 program, which it very well, still can be.

[DaShox]

History tells us that hitting coaches have not cured our ills. It's pure bs. Need a new pitching coach too? bs. You are the ones with the brain tumor.

Per Bob Lutz' article:
"This season, the Shockers' 3.27 ERA ranks #33 nationally, in the the top 15 percent".

Yes. Let's fire Brent. This is why you do what you do and you are not an AD. Okie dokie?

"Before 2005, the Shockers' team batting average was below .300 once (1990) in 27 seasons under Gene Stephenson."

Who was the hitting coach in 1990? Loren Hibbs. Hey...isn't that who you all want to hire? Good choice! Awesome! You are 2 for 2! Way to go!

"O'Brien was the only Shocker player to bat higher than .300. If O'Brien can hit .410 with these bats, it's fair to wonder why others aren't doing the same."

Hey....didn't I raise this very point? Hmmm.

I have a theory. It's kind of out there. It's the players. Or lack thereof. Of course, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong.

Dude, you are beyond reason. Most here have said nothing about firing BK, yet you try to lump anyone who disagrees with you on any one point into one large group

As far as the Hibbs jab goes, I know, you'd rather have the guy who's been under .300 5 of the last 7 years over a guy who was under only once (.298), the year after a CWS title.

Oh, and the players are out there, they're just not here. As the article pointed out, we were 146th of 292 DI teams in batting average this year.

I sincerely hope that the new players can turn WSU's fortunes back into a top 40 program, which it very well, still can be.

According to the poll, 21 people (28%) have voted "fire them all". 28% of this esteemed board does indeed believe BK should be fired. A top 15% staff. And I'm the one beyond reason? Riiiiiiiight.

I know you are slow learner, so I'll repeat my take again on JT:
From page #1:
"Would I be upset if JT got the pink slip? No."

By the way I have a question. For the 28% that want to fire BK, answer me this: Buying out the contracts (firing) of Gene, BK & JT would cost approximately $1.5-$1.75 million. Where will you get the money? Where will you get another million to hire a new staff? So, that's $2.5 million.

Just curious.

[WuDrWu]

There should have been an option of everybody except Brent. If there was, I missed it.

I encourage anyone interested to listen to Brent's rant on the podcast of Sports Daily.


Brent is always entertaining, and he was in RARE form that day especially. He makes some fantastic points, many of which should be discussed, in detail, with factual representation, somewhere on this fine forum.

[SubGod22]

I do think that's why you see Brent with zero votes. I wonder how many of the "fire them all" vote would change to Gene and JT only if given the option. Maybe all three was how they voted for the other two or something.

[SB Shock]

I have a theory. It's kind of out there. It's the players. Or lack thereof. Of course, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong.

I think the "coaching" argument is overstated. WSU problem is not coaching, but recruiting. Coaching is much easier when you have players with the tools to be coached.

[ShockTalk]

I do think that's why you see Brent with zero votes. I wonder how many of the "fire them all" vote would change to Gene and JT only if given the option. Maybe all three was how they voted for the other two or something.

Even though I didn't vote for "all", I'm guessing your right. I also believe that if a change was made for JT, a lot of the furor about Gene would die down as well.

[Trigger]

Whether people like, love, hate Gene I think it's safe to say he's run his course and the program has faltered to it's lowest level in the Gene regime. Try using his excuses at your job and see if you're still employed. Like I said earlier I don't think this AD has the sack to make a change but in fairness Schaus didn't either during the OU coaching switcharoo.

At this level do you really keep your job based on what you did vs. what you are doing? The Tennessee coach was let go based on poor results. How long will it take someone to dig stats on that program?

A new face is needed at WSU and argue all you want about who that is but how worse can a new coach be? I guess they could not make it to a regional ... again.

[WuDrWu]

I have a theory. It's kind of out there. It's the players. Or lack thereof. Of course, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong.

I think the "coaching" argument is overstated. WSU problem is not coaching, but recruiting. Coaching is much easier when you have players with the tools to be coached.

This is why I am hoping we can talk about Brent's interview/rant.

It would appear we are getting the players....or at least more than our fair share of pro players. Or more than most other teams in our area of pro-prospects.

So perhaps if we can get past this nonsensical drivel, perhaps we can delve deeper into the real issue.