UNC recieves NOA

[WuShock16]

Poor Davidson. They're gonna get it.

[Aargh]

I wonder how many other schools are going, "Oh, ****, don't we have some classes like that"?

[Dave Stalwart]

I wonder how many other schools are going, "Oh, ****, don't we have some classes like that"?

I can think of some. KU, UK, Duke and well, UNC...

[WuDrWu]

10-1 says WSU's penalty for a couple of t-shirts and a jacket in 82 will be harsher, a lot harsher, than anything UNC gets.

They'll get hit with a big fine (that in the grand scheme of things means nothing) and some substantive reductions of visits, schollies etc and some minor program might get axed, but the big 2 will suffer little to no meaningful penalty. No post season ban and no future money reductions. Business as usual.

Just watch.

[ShockdaWorld]

10-1 says WSU's penalty for a couple of t-shirts and a jacket in 82 will be harsher, a lot harsher, than anything UNC gets.

They'll get hit with a big fine (that in the grand scheme of things means nothing) and some substantive reductions of visits, schollies etc and some minor program might get axed, but the big 2 will suffer little to no meaningful penalty. No post season ban and no future money reductions. Business as usual.


Just watch.

As sick as it is, I'm afraid you're probably right. And that whole Power 5 Old Boys' Club will be there backing them up.

[Rlh04d]

This isn't just about athletics. It isn't recruiting violations. It isn't cream cheese on a bagel. It isn't extra practice time.

This is institutional fraud. It devalues the state degree attained by all UNC graduates, and is no different to me than a government employee fraudulently attaining benefits they shouldn't.

If UNC athletics lives to see a future, and doesn't get a death penalty will be a head scratcher to me. 18 years of academic fraud that had around 1,500 students involved in the fraud. This isn't allowing a star player impermissible benefits, this is a complete lack of institutional control.

This is the absolute definition of lack of institutional control. And they'll get a slap on the wrist for it,guaranteed.

[1972Shocker]

This is the absolute definition of lack of institutional control. And they'll get a slap on the wrist for it,guaranteed.

To me this goes beyond lack of institutional control. This goes to institutional participation. You know and I know that everyone on campus knew what these classes were all about. The main effort at most administrative levels both on the academic and athletic side of things was to try and to position themselves to be able to claim plausible deniability.

[kcshocker11]

http://chapelboro.com/news/unc/chans...f-allegations/ Their gonna get off scot free

[Aargh]

http://chapelboro.com/news/unc/chans...f-allegations/ Their gonna get off scot free

The NCAA just stepped on their Walter - that's Walter Johnson if you need clarification.

If UNC gets off with anything short of vacating championships, losing scholarships, upper 8-digit fines, then it's open season for setting up totally phantom classes for all athletes, which would destroy the NCAA's position that athletes are students, not professionals.

If an athlete is not required to take actual classes, then they are professionals, and that would destroy the NCAA's entire treason for existing.

I was going to correct my typo of typing "treason" instead of "reason", but every once in a while a typo is more accurate than the correct word.

[ShockdaWorld]

http://chapelboro.com/news/unc/chans...f-allegations/ Their gonna get off scot free

Funny thing, this link won't work for me. Keeps on saying Explorer stopped responding. Only when I click on the link though.

[Kung Wu]

The media needs to start asking some serious questions of accrediting agencies over every degree issued by students that graduated with the paper classes as course credit. What college departments issued credit for the paper classes? How did they miss it? What are they going to do about it? Are they going to sit on it until the NCAA finalizes their investigation, or are they going to get to the bottom of it ASAP and keep their own agency's integrity in check?

There is NO point to be made that "53% of the students of the 3,100 weren't athletes, therefore it's not an athletic rules violation". Improper benefits to athletes is improper benefits to athletes. The WSU UnderArmour non-scandal benefited nearly as many non-WSU students as it did WSU baseball players -- maybe even more, I am not up on the details.

To me, here are the most important questions to clarify that this is clearly an athletic rules violation: What would UNC's "Academic Progress Rate" have looked like without paper classes? What would UNC's "Graduation Success Rate" have looked like without paper classes? Which players would not have qualified to play if they had not been allowed to take those paper classes to elevate their GPA? Those questions cannot be answered, and that is all it takes to show that there is an athletic rules violation. Some schools were being punished for having too low of an APR (e.g. UConn[!]) while UNC avoided that punishable check-and-balance by allowing their athletes to cheat using paper classes. Some schools had to sit star athletes due to failure to make grades, while UNC avoided that problem by having their athletes' GPAs artificially elevated due to cheating using paper classes.

If everything reported is true; then the UNC scandal is systemic, intentional, easy to catch with proper oversight, clearly improperly benefited many of UNC's athletes, and gave a serious competitive advantage to many of UNC's sports. If that isn't a clear case for the death penalty, then there is none. From where I stand, anything short of the death penalty is a mockery.

[WuDrWu]

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Charmed, I'm sure.

[bleed yellow]

If everything reported is true; then the UNC scandal is systemic, intentional, easy to catch with proper oversight, clearly improperly benefited many of UNC's athletes, and gave a serious competitive advantage to many of UNC's sports. If that isn't a clear case for the death penalty, then there is none. From where I stand, anything short of the death penalty is a mockery.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, but keep in mind this isn't KU we are talking about here.. If UNC did get the death penalty for this and had no more basketball, they would be devastated at first, but would snap out of it and just start focusing more on Football and Baseball. UNC actually thinks about it's other sports. Now if it were KU and their basketball program got axed for violations, lol their entire athletic department would collapse and they probably wouldn't even affiliate with any conference.

[ShockdaWorld]

If everything reported is true; then the UNC scandal is systemic, intentional, easy to catch with proper oversight, clearly improperly benefited many of UNC's athletes, and gave a serious competitive advantage to many of UNC's sports. If that isn't a clear case for the death penalty, then there is none. From where I stand, anything short of the death penalty is a mockery.

Yeah, but keep in mind this isn't KU we are talking about here.. If UNC did get the death penalty for this and had no more basketball, they would be devastated at first, but would snap out of it and just start focusing more on Football and Baseball. UNC actually thinks about it's other sports. Now if it were KU and their basketball program got axed for violations, lol their entire athletic department would collapse and they probably wouldn't even affiliate with any conference.[/QUOTE]

The thing about this situation, if I understand correctly, is that it was NOT only basketball players that were involved, but athletes from multiple sports. Thus, the entire athletic department should be penalized, not just the men's basketball program. Better yet, due to the fact that it was not ONLY athletes, the entire university should be penalized. But, as it was stated before, this is UNC, this is a blue blood. This will be a mockery.

[bleed yellow]

Yeah, but keep in mind this isn't KU we are talking about here.. If UNC did get the death penalty for this and had no more basketball, they would be devastated at first, but would snap out of it and just start focusing more on Football and Baseball. UNC actually thinks about it's other sports. Now if it were KU and their basketball program got axed for violations, lol their entire athletic department would collapse and they probably wouldn't even affiliate with any conference.

The thing about this situation, if I understand correctly, is that it was NOT only basketball players that were involved, but athletes from multiple sports. Thus, the entire athletic department should be penalized, not just the men's basketball program. Better yet, due to the fact that it was not ONLY athletes, the entire university should be penalized. But, as it was stated before, this is UNC, this is a blue blood. This will be a mockery.[/QUOTE]

If they were to get the death penalty though, it wouldn't make a lot of sense for the ncaa to make an example out of their other sports. UNC may think more about their other major sports than a typical blue blood, but punishing their sports would hardly get the point across and the ncaa knows it.