KU fans meltdown after loss to Rice.

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There's just no way of looking at the KU football situation and finding a way to get any positives out of it.. The topic is almost as perplexing as the WSU parking situation.

[SubGod22]

The parking situation at WSU isn't that bad unless you're lazy. I work with a couple of students who are on campus during the day and they have no problems finding parking. Yes, they have to walk a bit, but it's not that bad.

[Kung Wu]

There's just no way of looking at the KU football situation and finding a way to get any positives out of it.. The topic is almost as perplexing as the WSU parking situation.

That's analagous to lower income people in America complaining about having it hard even though they have a car, smart phone, flat screen TV, cable TV subscription, internet, pay almost no income taxes, have a house to sleep in, hot water, electricity, food stamps, subsidized education, free money, and access to the best health care the world has ever seen even without insurance.

The rest of the world looks at us and just scratch their heads.

I don't think you realize how good the parking situation at WSU is. If Bardo beefs enrollment up by 7,500, then you will have something to start complaining about.

[1979Shocker]

That's analagous to lower income people in America complaining about having it hard even though they have a car, smart phone, flat screen TV, cable TV subscription, internet, pay almost no income taxes, have a house to sleep in, hot water, electricity, food stamps, subsidized education, free money, and access to the best health care the world has ever seen even without insurance.

The rest of the world looks at us and just scratch their heads.

I don't think you realize how good the parking situation at WSU is. If Bardo beefs enrollment up by 7,500, then you will have something to start complaining about.

You must know low income people that have it made. The one low income person I know doesn't have a flat screen TV, doesn't have internet, doesn't have their own house to sleep in (They stay at their mom's when they can so they don't pay for water and electricity, but they do pay their mom for staying there.), doesn't have food stamps (they don't have kids, so it would be harder to get it),, and doesn't have health care. They do have a cell phone and a car though, which they need for their job.

[Kung Wu]

You must know low income people that have it made. The one low income person I know doesn't have a flat screen TV, doesn't have internet, doesn't have their own house to sleep in (they stay at their mom's when they can so they don't pay for water and electricity), doesn't have food stamps (they don't have kids, so it would be harder to get it),, and doesn't have health care. They do have a cell phone and a car though, which they need for their job.

I didn't say destitute. There are a lot of people in this country struggling mightily, and they have my every sympathy and support. I am big fan of lifting up the truly poor. Though you and I will argue until Voyager 1 returns to Earth about how best to achieve that. In fact, on this matter I put my money where my mouth is.

But to your other points:

1) If you are living at home with your parents, I bet you have: a roof over your head, cable TV, Internet access, electricity to plug your smart phone into, a flatscreen TV to watch, and hot water.

2) If you are truly poor, you WILL take the time to get those food stamps, because they are a critical part of your lifeline.

3) When you are destitute you get health care from the best doctors on the planet when you need emergency services, even without insurance. When you are destitute, you get healthcare when you stay at a hospital while your baby is being delivered, even without insurance. When you are destitute you get health care provided for your children free of charge.

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The way I see it, WSU is one step ahead of KU when it comes to the football situation. Cessna Stadium, or at least portions of it will most likley be torn down for more parking, whether or not that means a parking garage in that area or just more parking in general, is not known. Either way, if WSU brought football back 50 years from now, it would be starting completely from scratch instead of even trying to mess with Cessna which probably wouldn't even be around anymore. KU on the other hand, their football circus just keeps going... and going.. The best thing for them would be a whole new football stadium to solve the first part of the mess. That won't happen though. The powers that be up there will just slap some concrete patches on here and there and build a bigger press box. Then after all that they will still act confused when they wave millions in coaches faces and get turned down.

[SubGod22]

According to the plans laid out by WSU, and being talked about in the Off Topic forum, it appears that many of the East Side seats at Cessna will become a parking garage. Eventually the West Side seats will suffer with an added athletic facility of some sort. Some seating will be maintained for T&F purposes. And it sounds as though the parking garage may be next on the agenda after the new residential facility is complete.

If football ever comes back, the golf course goes bye-bye.

[wsushox1]

I think you would find few knowledgeable KU supporters up here in Lawrence that believed KU would beat Rice. The student newspaper even predicted a loss.

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Either way you look at it, the Charlie Weis project has proven to not be short term turn around already. I think the only way his job remains safe after this season is because the KU AD is probably focusing his attention elsewhere like the football stadium improvements and other parts of the athletic department in general.. Even though Zenger didn't hire Turner Gill, I'm sure he's burnt out on hiring football coaches that will supposedly make things better already.

[SubGod22]

How can his job be in question when he only has one full season under his belt there? Are KU fans really that stupid that they expect a horrid program to be turned around with one recruiting class? Or has he been there two? Either way, not enough time to revive such a sorry excuse for a program. I think he could have some minor success there if they let him build it.

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Turner Gill was only given 2 seasons right? Granted KU got blown out every single game, a loss is a loss and only winning 1 game a year no matter who the coach is still considered a horrible season.

[Kung Wu]

Remember that KU's motivation is image, image, image. Bill Snyder only won one game his first season at Purple Passion State. Then went 5-6 the next year. Guessing that's the expectation in progress.

[SPEShockAlum]

From what I hear, their football stadium was supposed to get expanded and refurbished years ago, but with all the coaching fiasco's they've been having, those plans got put on hold. If you're the AD and worst comes to worst, I think you have no choice but to leave Weis as the coach and be terrible, while you make stadium improvements... There's just something about this subject that makes me think KU football has much bigger problems than just coaching. One is, they have no football culture up there. This is the subject that KU, nor their fans want to discuss. Their football stadium, it's the oldest college football stadium West of the Mississippi, should of been torn down instead of refurbished.

I think some of those issues were being addressed in 2007-08 timeframe, but fell apart thanks to Mr. Tom Kivisto and the collapse of SemGroup/SemCrude in August 2008. I'm not sure what the financial repercussions to KU were during that fiasco.

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I would say all of that would make sense for the hiring of Turner Gill.. The only problem was they didn't hire him for cheap! lol.. It almost has me wondering if Gill didn't make an agreement with someone in the KU athletic department somewhere along the line that consisted of "Ok Turner, this is what's happening to our athletic department funds right now, we won't have the resources to follow up with that Orange Bowl season or any other season after the 2005 season for quite sometime, so just work with what we have right now for this lucrative amount of money and all will be good." But obviously this theoretical agreement that I'm conjuring up obviously did not carry over the rest of the University. And at least as of right now, Charlie Weis appears to be running into the exact same problems Turner Gill did.

[ripemupshocks]

One is, they have no football culture up there. This is the subject that KU, nor their fans want to discuss. Their football stadium, it's the oldest college football stadium West of the Mississippi, should of been torn down instead of refurbished.

Not to be picky, but the chickenhawks do not play-in "the oldest college football stadium West of the Mississippi". But it is close. And shouldn't an older football stadium, with it's history and character, lead to a greater football culture, than say a new, sterile, boring stadium. After all, old football stadiums don't seem to hurt the football culture at places like:

Wisconsin (Camp Randall Stadium-1917)
Washington (Husky Stadium-1920)
Oklahoma State (Boone Pickens Stadium-1920)
Tennessee (Neyland Stadium-1921)
Ohio State (Ohio Stadium-1922)
Nebraska (Memorial Stadium-1923)
Michigan State (Spartan Stadium-1923)
LSU (Tiger Stadium-1924)
Texas (Memorial Stadium-1924)
Oklahoma (Memorial Stadium -1925)
Michigan (Michigan Stadium-1927)
Missouri (Faurot Field-1927)
Texas A&M (Kyle Field-1927)
Arizona (Arizona Stadium-1928)
Iowa (Kinnick Stadium-1929)
Georgia (Sanford Stadium-1929)
Alabama (Bryant-Denny Stadium-1929)
Florida (Ben Hill Griffen Stadium-1930)
&
Notre Dame (Notre Dame Stadium-1930)