Deadly Shooting Rampage at Fort Hood

[WuDrWu]

That's fine, but trying to compare the organized violence that Radical Islamic Fundamentalists take part in with the so-called Radical Christian Fundamentalists that you describe is laughable.

I hope you are smart enough to see that and not restate your inane reference to the 2 being anywhere remotely related.

[1979Shocker]

Fort Hood Shooter Remains in Stable Condition

Military officials added that they were probing how the alleged shooter may have gotten weapons into the base, where personnel other than civilian police don't typically carry weapons. They noted that security personnel conduct random car checks in search of guns.

And most likely a vehicle driven by a uniformed officer isn't going to be search.

[ShockCity]

That's fine, but trying to compare the organized violence that Radical Islamic Fundamentalists take part in with the so-called Radical Christian Fundamentalists that you describe is laughable.

I hope you are smart enough to see that and not restate your inane reference to the 2 being anywhere remotely related.

In your mind, however feeble it may be, the difference is Hasan was Muslim and Roeder is Christian. In reality, they're very similar. Both completely and utterly dispicable and senseless. The taking of a life in the name of religion. Very much alike.

[ISASO]

Does Roeder's religion promote the killing of others with a grand reward awaiting them in heaven for performing that act? Does his religion promote the idea of killing everyone from that certain group just because they are a member of that group? With the reward in heaven?

[WuDrWu]

..............................

See how much better that is? Silence is a virtue you try.

[WstateU]

More violence! :(

Florida Shooting Suspect in Police Custody

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,572605,00.html

[ShockCity]

Does Roeder's religion promote the killing of others with a grand reward awaiting them in heaven for performing that act? Does his religion promote the idea of killing everyone from that certain group just because they are a member of that group? With the reward in heaven?

Certain factions of his religion do.

[DCShockerFan05]

Does Roeder's religion promote the killing of others with a grand reward awaiting them in heaven for performing that act? Does his religion promote the idea of killing everyone from that certain group just because they are a member of that group? With the reward in heaven?

No, it doesn't. But HE thinks it does, and that's exactly the parallel. Out of a billion Muslims there are a very few who have a deeply twisted interpretation of the the same Koran all the rest are reading, just like there are a handful of disturbed Christians who for whatever reason see the Bible as a call to arms rather than a message of peace. Your justified revulsion at projecting the beliefs of one man onto your entire faith should be a warning against doing it to another faith.

I don't deny that Islamic extremism is a serious threat, and I am confident that it is a greater one than "Christian extremism," however you might define it. But it does no good to demonize the vast majority of non-extremists on account of the actions of a few. If we must judge, let us judge individuals according to their own deeds.

[ShockCity]

Does Roeder's religion promote the killing of others with a grand reward awaiting them in heaven for performing that act? Does his religion promote the idea of killing everyone from that certain group just because they are a member of that group? With the reward in heaven?

No, it doesn't. But HE thinks it does, and that's exactly the parallel. Out of a billion Muslims there are a very few who have a deeply twisted interpretation of the the same Koran all the rest are reading, just like there are a handful of disturbed Christians who for whatever reason see the Bible as a call to arms rather than a message of peace. Your justified revulsion at projecting the beliefs of one man onto your entire faith should be a warning against doing it to another faith.

I don't deny that Islamic extremism is a serious threat, and I am confident that it is a greater one than "Christian extremism," however you might define it. But it does no good to demonize the vast majority of non-extremists on account of the actions of a few. If we must judge, let us judge individuals according to their own deeds.

Well said. :good:

[Shoxfan11]

Does Roeder's religion promote the killing of others with a grand reward awaiting them in heaven for performing that act? Does his religion promote the idea of killing everyone from that certain group just because they are a member of that group? With the reward in heaven?

No, it doesn't. But HE thinks it does, and that's exactly the parallel. Out of a billion Muslims there are a very few who have a deeply twisted interpretation of the the same Koran all the rest are reading, just like there are a handful of disturbed Christians who for whatever reason see the Bible as a call to arms rather than a message of peace. Your justified revulsion at projecting the beliefs of one man onto your entire faith should be a warning against doing it to another faith.

I don't deny that Islamic extremism is a serious threat, and I am confident that it is a greater one than "Christian extremism," however you might define it. But it does no good to demonize the vast majority of non-extremists on account of the actions of a few. If we must judge, let us judge individuals according to their own deeds.

I have to agree to this. If you want to judge the Muslim religion by this, then it's okay to judge Christianity by acts of Fred Phelps and his church (of idiots).

[WuDrWu]

I cannot believe what I am reading.


Are you all that stupid?


Seemingly, yes you are.


Nobody is saying all Islamic faith persons are homicide bombers.


Radical Islamic Fundamentalists are attacking our way of life. Not Fred Phelps (who is an idiot, but as far as I know hasn't killed anyone).

And it isn't 1 time (Dennis Roeder) it is MANY TIMES with THOUSANDS dead all over the world.

Some of you seem to be defending them......sick, twisted and beyond stupid.

Someday it may be your son, or daughter, or you. We'll see how you feel then.

Stupidity is running rampant around here.

[engrshock]

Re: Deadly Shooting Rampage at Fort Hood

Is it time to keep a closer eye on Muslims in this country?

Major Malik Nadal Hasan, a muslim convert, kills 12 and wounds at least 30 in shooting rampage.

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Time will tell.

WuDrWU the first message in this column was about keeping a closer eye on Muslims in this country.

[DCShockerFan05]

If you seriously think anything in what I wrote was defending radical Islamic fundamentalism I hope you never have to make an important decision based on reading comprehension. I SPECIFICALLY SAID I think it is a threat, and that it's a bigger one than guys like Roeder and Phelps. The only people I was defending were law-abiding people of all faiths who get stereotyped based on the actions of others.

[ShockCity]

If you seriously think anything in what I wrote was defending radical Islamic fundamentalism I hope you never have to make an important decision based on reading comprehension. I SPECIFICALLY SAID I think it is a threat, and that it's a bigger one than guys like Roeder and Phelps. The only people I was defending were law-abiding people of all faiths who get stereotyped based on the actions of others.

Exactly!!! There was nothing in anything anybody said on here that defended the actions of the shooter in Texas. In fact, I made a point to say it was senseless and ridiculous! I agree with DC, I hope your job doesn't require much reading comprehension Wu!

[Maggie]

Does Roeder's religion promote the killing of others with a grand reward awaiting them in heaven for performing that act? Does his religion promote the idea of killing everyone from that certain group just because they are a member of that group? With the reward in heaven?

No, it doesn't. But HE thinks it does, and that's exactly the parallel. Out of a billion Muslims there are a very few who have a deeply twisted interpretation of the the same Koran all the rest are reading, just like there are a handful of disturbed Christians who for whatever reason see the Bible as a call to arms rather than a message of peace. Your justified revulsion at projecting the beliefs of one man onto your entire faith should be a warning against doing it to another faith.

I don't deny that Islamic extremism is a serious threat, and I am confident that it is a greater one than "Christian extremism," however you might define it. But it does no good to demonize the vast majority of non-extremists on account of the actions of a few. If we must judge, let us judge individuals according to their own deeds.

I am not sure you should, or are credibly able to, stretch this position too far.

There is another, persuasive, argument related to this matter; however, I think at this point it is fair to say what happened at Fort Hood could be seen in a couple of larger contexts:

There is a disturbing pattern of attacking American soldiers on bases or offices inside the United States; and the apparent spontaneous rage of disaffected Muslims, who connect their own failures in some sense to generic radical Islamist sentiments, and act out that anger by running over the innocent, shooting Jews, or shooting up malls or sniping. These are of course different from but in addition to the organized plots that have been broken up since 9/11, some of them this year alone.

In reaction officials and news people often opt for therapeutic exegeses — stress, often of the post-traumatic sort, ill-feeling and bias shown Muslims, family problems, or brainwashing by nefarious outside actors — to explain the cold-blooded nature of the murdering.

Rarely do they ever suggest that the Islamist notion abroad that America is to blame for mostly self-induced pathologies in the Islamic world mostly goes unquestioned here at home — and as a result filters down to the lone angry and violent here as the belief that there is some sort of cosmic justification that can amplify their own outrage at a sense of personal failure or setback.

If it is shown that the present killer openly in the past expressed sympathies for or tolerance of Islamist violence abroad, one would have expected, in the current climate of fear of being seen as illiberal or judgmental, little repercussions or formal preemptory action to preclude the possibility of future violence.

In other words, the narrative after 9/11 largely remains that Americans have given in to illegitimate "fear and mistrust" of Muslims in general. Maybe a saner approach would be to acknowledge that there is a small minority of Muslims who channel generic Islamist fantasies.

If the prevailing theme continues to be fears of American intolerance and unfairness to Muslims after 9/11, I think the public will resent the disconnect between what they are told to think and what they believe, on the basis of some evidence.