Singing to Dear Leader

[Maggie]

No you talked about endoctrination. 1 school out of thousands doesnt it it so. Its just not a big deal!javascript:emoticon('8)')

First, indoctrination? I am not trying to be dismissive, but do you think I am writing in some type of hidden code? Second, because it happens in one class to some children in a different state – it is all copasetic in your mind? You don’t think it is all a bit creepy?

Perhaps this is tripping you up: When I write about this "messianic" phenomenon not being isolated I am writing about it in general and this as the “latest example”. I thought we all live in the same country so it was unnecessary to itemize specific examples especially to anyone who tends to be more progressive. Please note – what follows is far from exhaustive:

A Newsweek editor referred to President Obama as a “god.” Chris Matthews, famously (or infamously) claimed physical ecstasy when the President speaks. I recall a Washington Post reporter swooning over Obama’s “chiseled pectorals” which is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the press fawning over the Presidents physical attributes. I described an “alter” to the President in a large Barnes & Noble in Manhattan in a different thread – and I just described one such store front. Now, of course, I am not mentioning the coffee mugs, tee shirts, beach towels, etc. – I suppose these people are just trying to make a buck. I could go on but I don’t have the time or the inclination.

I thought the issue of whether the United States of America would have a king or queen was settled a long time ago. I am sorry but this does not sit well with me.

[WuDrWu]

A friend recently pointed out something along the same lines when he mentioned he was at a sports bar (not in Wichita) and there were 3 different posters of the President's picture in some form or another.

When have we ever had pictures of our President emblazened over so many forms of media?

Ever? I think not.......

Where else do we see PICTURES of leaders? Do you see the Prime Minister of Great Britian or Castro (for 1 example).

This is a much bigger picture, as Maggie is refering to, and to dismiss it as "isolated" is to ignore the problem.

[ShockerGorilla]

A friend recently pointed out something along the same lines when he mentioned he was at a sports bar (not in Wichita) and there were 3 different posters of the President's picture in some form or another.

When have we ever had pictures of our President emblazened over so many forms of media?

Ever? I think not.......

Where else do we see PICTURES of leaders? Do you see the Prime Minister of Great Britian or Castro (for 1 example).

This is a much bigger picture, as Maggie is refering to, and to dismiss it as "isolated" is to ignore the problem.

Here is a 1930's German poster with a Christian-like image of an illuminated dove over Hitler. The text translates to "Long live Germany." It may not be very long before we see images such as this with Obama's face on them.

[shocklight]

I have a friend who lives in a small town in Iowa, he is about 76 years old. He is a traveling salesman who travels to Wichita about 4 times a year. I have known him for about 15 years now.

Why this is important is, he grew up in Germany, until he was in his early teens (his mother fled Germany with him and his sister), pryor to that he was in Hilter youth. He talks very openly about it. On his last visit, I showed him the Hollywood video of stars saying "I pledge to Barak Obama".

He hadn't seen that video before that day. Sadly, he was deeply disturbed. His face told a story of a past life. As his eyes started to water ever so slightly, he said this is the very kind of thing that was happening in Germany some sixty plus years ago. He told a few stories about being in Hitler youth, you didn't dare to question what was being forced on you and certainly your parents didn't oppose it for fear of penalty.

I won't go as far to say that is what is going on now in America. However, his story is important to know and understand, because we do not want the Hollywood liberals or some crazy liberal teachers, to try to indoctrinate our children.

We must as good patriots, stand up against this wicked type of thinking, no matter how innocent some may want to trivialize it!

[Maggie]

I can’t view the picture posted by ShockerGorilla at work; however, I don’t think it would require much effort to unearth Obama/Christ representations right now either in conventional artwork or the MSM. And for the record, I don’t think the President is Hitler.

To shocklight if you are interested (and you can ask your friend about this, although he was young at the time):

Hitler despised Christianity. The Nazis worked relentlessly to replace the nuts and bolts of traditional Christianity with a new political religion. The Hitler Youth was a part of this effort. The shrewdest way to accomplish their goal was to co-opt Christianity while at the same time shrinking traditional religion’s role in civil society. To this end, Hitler purchased popularity with lavish social welfare programs and middle-class perks, often paid for with stolen Jewish wealth and high taxes on the rich. Hitler banned religious charity, crippling the churches’ role as a counterweight to the state. Clergy were put on government salary, hence subjected to state authority. The Nazis replaced the traditional Christian calendar. Mandatory prayer in school was abolished, carols and Nativity plays were banned entirely, and religious instruction for children was eventually abolished altogether.

[ShockCity]

My gosh, you people have some real inventive and whacky minds. Jeez. Give me a break.

[WuDrWu]

My gosh, you people have some real inventive and whacky minds. Jeez. Give me a break.

You do understand that Maggie (for instance) is about 5 times more intelligent than any 3 people on this board, yes?

[Maggie]

My gosh, you people have some real inventive and whacky minds. Jeez. Give me a break.

I think you are jumping to conclusions. Besides, I didn’t invent anything and my opinion certainly does not stem from some delusional paranoia or conspiracy theory.

Clearly the fact that someone brought up Hitler caused you to immediately dismiss the argument/discussion as a bit (or a lot) unhinged – which, of course, misses the point but is understandable to an extent. I would certainly agree that if some people think President Obama will become a Hitler, Stalin or even a Mussolini, they need to do some more thinking and, perhaps, check their medication.

These types of ideologies took hold in different places for different reasons and evolved differently for different reasons. While you could make a good argument that, for example, the German people were Hitler's willing enablers the simple truth is that I do not think it is in the cards for America to go down a this type of path – at least at it concerns what Nazis are primarily known for (remember the Nazis did not rise to power on the promise of bringing war and violence). The overwhelming majority of the American people — in their history, culture, bones, hearts, souls, DNA, whatever — are not like that. That goes for American liberals and leftists too.

The extent and depth of liberalism's obtuseness on the subject of fascism and National Socialism (and much else) is annoying, but American liberals are still Americans, and Americans will not goose-step behind a Hitler, period.

[ShockCity]

My gosh, you people have some real inventive and whacky minds. Jeez. Give me a break.

I think you are jumping to conclusions. Besides, I didn’t invent anything and my opinion certainly does not stem from some delusional paranoia or conspiracy theory.

Clearly the fact that someone brought up Hitler caused you to immediately dismiss the argument/discussion as a bit (or a lot) unhinged – which, of course, misses the point but is understandable to an extent. I would certainly agree that if some people think President Obama will become a Hitler, Stalin or even a Mussolini, they need to do some more thinking and, perhaps, check their medication.

These types of ideologies took hold in different places for different reasons and evolved differently for different reasons. While you could make a good argument that, for example, the German people were Hitler's willing enablers the simple truth is that I do not think it is in the cards for America to go down a this type of path – at least at it concerns what Nazis are primarily known for (remember the Nazis did not rise to power on the promise of bringing war and violence). The overwhelming majority of the American people — in their history, culture, bones, hearts, souls, DNA, whatever — are not like that. That goes for American liberals and leftists too.

The extent and depth of liberalism's obtuseness on the subject of fascism and National Socialism (and much else) is annoying, but American liberals are still Americans, and Americans will not goose-step behind a Hitler, period.

You've been watching too much Glenn Beck, IMO.

[ShockCity]

My gosh, you people have some real inventive and whacky minds. Jeez. Give me a break.

You do understand that Maggie (for instance) is about 5 times more intelligent than any 3 people on this board, yes?

Intelligence is a relative term.

[Anthroshock]

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2213869/obama_song_controversy_and_katrina.html

Can someone have long-term short-term memory? In some cases is it merely selective?

The current administration is using many of the same tactics put forward by the previous administration.

(I'm still trying to figure out how a teacher making up a song is a "vast left-wing conspiracy".)

[Maggie]

You've been watching too much Glenn Beck, IMO.

Frankly, you conveniently and almost without exception disregard the positions of others by responding with non sequitur nonsense or misdirection. Put another way in this particular case, I don’t watch Glenn Beck (we are not allowed to watch television at work) but even if I did it would be irrelevant.

[ShockCity]

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2213869/obama_song_controversy_and_katrina.html

Can someone have long-term short-term memory? In some cases is it merely selective?

The current administration is using many of the same tactics put forward by the previous administration.

(I'm still trying to figure out how a teacher making up a song is a "vast left-wing conspiracy".)

It's a vast conspiracy to let Obama takeover our country and kill everyones grandparents because Glenn Beck said so darnit! And, to think otherwise, you must be a Nazi too. :roll:

This just proves that we have a group of people in this country, and on this board, who refuse to think for themselves. They would rather regurgitate what the pundits and experts tell them.

[ShockCity]

You've been watching too much Glenn Beck, IMO.

Frankly, you conveniently and almost without exception disregard the positions of others by responding with non sequitur nonsense or misdirection. Put another way in this particular case, I don’t watch Glenn Beck (we are not allowed to watch television at work) but even if I did it would be irrelevant.

No, I choose to not respond with 80 page dissertations on here for two reasons:

1.) It's pointless because you can't get through to bull headed people who would believe anything these idiots tell them. In other words, it's a waste of my valuable time.

2.) I don't have time.

Your ramblings on here get so tired and worn out that even if you had a point I am not sure a rational thinking person could decipher it.

[wu_shizzle]

Your ramblings on here get so tired and worn out that even if you had a point I am not sure a rational thinking person could decipher it.