Healthcare Hypocricy?

[SubGod22]

Reid: Healthcare Protests 'Sabotage' Democracy

[RoyalShock]

Reid: Healthcare Protests 'Sabotage' Democracy

No revelation here, but Reid and his ilk (most Washington pols) not only don't fear the people, they think the people are stupid. But let Reid and the Dems continue to underestimate their opposition.

[SubGod22]

Reid: Healthcare Protests 'Sabotage' Democracy

No revelation here, but Reid and his ilk (most Washington pols) not only don't fear the people, they think the people are stupid. But let Reid and the Dems continue to underestimate their opposition.

If he and his group continue to ignore the people and what's going on it's going to really hurt the Democratic party in the next election. Sadly, they may still be able to force enough "change" on us that it may not matter... The far left of the party is hopeless. I can only hope that enough of the moderate and Blue Dogs can/will cause problems for them in the house. But I'm not convinced that they have enough of them with the backbone to stand up to the "leadership" when it comes down to it. That seems to be the only way the House doesn't shove this stuff through. Maybe since politicians like polls so much they'll see what those are saying and vote against it to try and secure re-election. That IS what it all comes down to isn't it?

[RoyalShock]

It seems their was some violence at a recent "town hall" forum on aging that turned into Obamacare protests. The primary victim was a 38 year-old black man who was handing out "Don't Tread On Me" flags.

Here is the local news article.

Here is an interesting comment from a friend of the victim in the comments section:

I am a friend of Kenneth Gladney, who was attacked this evening. He was approached by a SEIU representative and that individual questioned why he was handing out the DTOM flags. The SEIU member used a racial slur against Kenneth, then punched him in the face. He was then attacked by three other SEIU members. They punched in him the face and kicked him in the back numerous times. One assailant fled on foot. Three others were arrested. Kenneth is currently at St. John's Mercy Hospital being treated for him many injuries. Mr. Gladney was merely expressing his freedom of speech by handing out flags. He in no way provoked anything, as evidenced by the fact that three people were arrested. We hope that Ken recovers from these injuries, however is is in great pain at this time. I am Mr. Gladney's friend and attorney. We will be pursuing legal action at our disposal. This was a truly senseless hate crime carried out by these racist union thugs.

So, let's summarize . . .

Dem leadership condemns protests as "astroturf", yet bring in their own union thugs, keeping actual voters out of this so-called "forum". Said union thugs identify a conservative black man (how dare he!) and assault him.

The racist, fascist, tyrannical astroturfers are on the left, not the right.

Change we can believe in!!!

[wu_shizzle]

I think it's hilarious that the party who was saying it's the most patriotic thing to organize and protest the war on terror, is now complaining about community organizations.

The irony is ripe.

[RoyalShock]

The leftist says . . .

Community organizers = :good:

Communities organizing = :-x :cry:

The real grassroots are :rant: and they aren't taking it anymore.


:cowbell:

[SubGod22]

Is anyone surprised that the SEIU was involved???













Didn't think so.

[RoyalShock]

Great WSJ column by Peggy Noonan.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204908604574334623330098540.html

As this column is written, there comes word that John Sweeney of the AFL-CIO has announced he’ll be sending in union members to the meetings to counter health care’s critics.

I'm thinking this subject (the protests) deserves its own topic.

[Maggie]

I think it's hilarious that the party who was saying it's the most patriotic thing to organize and protest the war on terror, is now complaining about community organizations.

The irony is ripe.

You know, I am going to pause for a moment and discuss the Democrats general reaction which, in my judgment, does stem from a “fear of the people”.

Unless you have paid close attention to politics over the last 75 years or so (really starting around Wilson’s presidency) it may be difficult to grasp the nature of the Democrats’ hypocrisy. This reaction is really standard operating procedure for the Left. Anyone who publicly and forcefully disagrees with its agenda is automatically labeled a fraud, a puppet, a goon, fascists, a mob, or even, gasp, ….and inevitably and predictably…..a Nazi - the aim being, of course, not to address the merits of the complaint but rather to discredit the messenger, by any means possible.

Even so, if this is news to you, if you simply focus on the past decade do you ignore all the pious discussion on the Left about dissent being the highest and most pure form of patriotism? Similarly, do you ignore the truth that the Left would be screaming bloody murder if a Republican administration ever asked the American public to inform on their neighbors (with the NYT leading the charge with page one stories)? As an aside, it is ironic that this very thing happened during the Wilson administration. Suppose you ignore the aforementioned, how can anyone ignore the puzzling fact that the President himself was once an idealistic “community organizer” (a fact he highlighted during the campaign) whose sole purpose, in as much as I can discern, is to do the very thing his administration is so forcefully denouncing (even if its description, noted above, of the “mob” is not, to a reasonable observer, entirely accurate – from what I can tell most of the “mob” probably fought the Nazis). The world’s most celebrated community organizer appears, at least to me, to be whining about…community organizing.

Keep in mind, all this is happening at the same time, unions, leftist activist and, as Moose helpfully pointed out, the Whitehouse is attempting to engage organized support for health-care “reform”.

The only conclusion I can draw is that the Left sincerely believes “power to the people” is only legitimately utilized to advance causes it advocates. Anything else must be “manufactured” (as if Code Pink, etc, is not – but that is another story) and is therefore not a legitimate complaint. Part of this is about fear – fear of the so-called silent majority. And the Left is terrified that what it perceives as its last best chance to further the gold standard of its agenda will be permanently exiled to the “ash heap of history” if it loses this fight.

[ISASO]

This is shaping up to be the battle of the century. Liberal fanatics know that if the government can control healthcare they can control the masses.
All their evil can be couched in terms of "this is what's good for you" and the opposition will find it impossible to counteract, especially with a snake-oil selling disciple of Jeremiah Wright, Bill Ayers and Saul Alinksy leading the way off the cliff into Orwell's 1984.

[ABC]

Americans for Prosperity (who I work for) launched a 10-state tour wtih two buses. "Hands off my Health Care tour" The buses have no more than eight people on them.

Their stops are drawing hundreds of people. Real people. This is hardly astro turf.

There were 1,000 people in Wilmington, NC this morning.

https://www.joinpatientsfirst.com

[jocoshock]

I think it's hilarious that the party who was saying it's the most patriotic thing to organize and protest the war on terror, is now complaining about community organizations.

The irony is ripe.

You know, I am going to pause for a moment and discuss the Democrats general reaction which, in my judgment, does stem from a “fear of the people”.

Unless you have paid close attention to politics over the last 75 years or so (really starting around Wilson’s presidency) it may be difficult to grasp the nature of the Democrats’ hypocrisy. This reaction is really standard operating procedure for the Left. Anyone who publicly and forcefully disagrees with its agenda is automatically labeled a fraud, a puppet, a goon, fascists, a mob, or even, gasp, ….and inevitably and predictably…..a Nazi - the aim being, of course, not to address the merits of the complaint but rather to discredit the messenger, by any means possible.

Even so, if this is news to you, if you simply focus on the past decade do you ignore all the pious discussion on the Left about dissent being the highest and most pure form of patriotism? Similarly, do you ignore the truth that the Left would be screaming bloody murder if a Republican administration ever asked the American public to inform on their neighbors (with the NYT leading the charge with page one stories)? As an aside, it is ironic that this very thing happened during the Wilson administration. Suppose you ignore the aforementioned, how can anyone ignore the puzzling fact that the President himself was once an idealistic “community organizer” (a fact he highlighted during the campaign) whose sole purpose, in as much as I can discern, is to do the very thing his administration is so forcefully denouncing (even if its description, noted above, of the “mob” is not, to a reasonable observer, entirely accurate – from what I can tell most of the “mob” probably fought the Nazis). The world’s most celebrated community organizer appears, at least to me, to be whining about…community organizing.

Keep in mind, all this is happening at the same time, unions, leftist activist and, as Moose helpfully pointed out, the Whitehouse is attempting to engage organized support for health-care “reform”.

The only conclusion I can draw is that the Left sincerely believes “power to the people” is only legitimately utilized to advance causes it advocates. Anything else must be “manufactured” (as if Code Pink, etc, is not – but that is another story) and is therefore not a legitimate complaint. Part of this is about fear – fear of the so-called silent majority. And the Left is terrified that what it perceives as its last best chance to further the gold standard of its agenda will be permanently exiled to the “ash heap of history” if it loses this fight.

Irony all aound. It is ironic that you could do a search/replace on Democrats/Libersal with Republicans/Conservative, alter a few of the adjectives and the Maggie's analysis would be just as true in reverse.... Life is full of irony and contradiction...and C's can be just as contradictory as L's.

[jocoshock]

Americans for Prosperity (who I work for) launched a 10-state tour wtih two buses. "Hands off my Health Care tour" The buses have no more than eight people on them.

Their stops are drawing hundreds of people. Real people. This is hardly astro turf.

There were 1,000 people in Wilmington, NC this morning.

https://www.joinpatientsfirst.com

Isn't that "Koch Industries for Prosperity"?

I've seen mention of Grass Roots in this thread. Roots run deep. Koch's roots of their fortune from building oil refineries for Joseph Stalin... Joe was pretty good at using mob rule (I mean grass roots movements) too....

Let's see... our baseball stadium named after Rusty Eck. Our basketball arena will be changing its name to "Americans for Prosperity Arena".

Thanks Joe/Thanks Rusty...

[jocoshock]

Six Degrees of Separation - Political Version

From the book: Dissent in Wichita, by Gretchen Cassel Eick
After the election, Barry Goldwater tried to distance himself from the John Birch Society, which continued to be active in Wichita. Over the next year, Birch-sponsored speakers included Edith Kermit Roosevelt, granddaughter of Teddy, and a syndicated right-wing journalist in her own right’ Clarence Manion, moderator of a syndicated weekly broadcast called the Manion Form and member of the society’s board; and Ronald Reagan. The John Birch Society considered Wichita “an area of solid activity” with between thirty and forty Birch chapters, between five and eight hundred members, and a full-time, paid staff person. Indeed, two of its twenty-six national board members were prominent local industrialists, Fred Koch and Bob Love. Birchers were, in general, quite hostile to the civil rights movement. By the following spring, the society’s founder; Robert Welch, would again attack it as part of a communist blueprint to establish a “Negro Soviet Republic” in the southeastern United States.

http://books.google.com/books?id=AwqAvzGFjr4C&pg=PA81&lpg=PA81&dq=%22john+stevens%22+wichita+mayor&source=bl&ots=laJ8_ojtT6&sig=YhsACnz6QVP5WacrEVJHpaVlpak&hl=en&ei=B-N8Sv7HEpTWNcWuhdoC&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3#v=onepage&q=%22john%20stevens%22%20wichita%20mayor&f=false

Americans for Prosperity - Koch Industries - Fred Koch - John Birch Society - Wichita State - Shocker Net

Doubtful that WSU would ever disavow Kochi Industries or the brothers, but it would not be hard to disavow Shocker Net should this off-topic forum get too far off the reservation..

[SB Shock]

Life is full of irony and contradiction...and C's can be just as contradictory as L's.

Both are corrupt and pretty much are crooks who do not have the best interests of Americans in mind.