Healthcare Hypocricy?

[ISASO]

When has the President of the United States of America told the public to "shut up"?

When has the President of the United States of America mobilized his supporters against the citizenry?

When has the President of the United States of America encouraged Americans to monitor their neighbors e-mail and speech and to turn them in to the White House?

Where is this Great Unifier of People 52% of the people foolishly voted for? Why is the Great Unifier of People threatening use of the reconciliation process to move the health care legislation to the Senate? If the Great Unifier of People is so logically and morally correct, why are members of his own party abadoning him?

[ABC]

Americans for Prosperity (who I work for) launched a 10-state tour wtih two buses. "Hands off my Health Care tour" The buses have no more than eight people on them.

Their stops are drawing hundreds of people. Real people. This is hardly astro turf.

There were 1,000 people in Wilmington, NC this morning.

https://www.joinpatientsfirst.com

Isn't that "Koch Industries for Prosperity"?

I've seen mention of Grass Roots in this thread. Roots run deep. Koch's roots of their fortune from building oil refineries for Joseph Stalin... Joe was pretty good at using mob rule (I mean grass roots movements) too....

Let's see... our baseball stadium named after Rusty Eck. Our basketball arena will be changing its name to "Americans for Prosperity Arena".

Thanks Joe/Thanks Rusty...

JoCo,

Why don't you actually attend an AFP meeting in Kansas - there's lot of them - and tell me how many Koch people are there. We have 38,000 members in Kansas and 600,000 in the U.S. We have 2,500 different donors in Kansas, from every single county and 50,000 donors from every state.

Typicaly of the left, you don't want to discuss the issue, you want to divert.

Kansas is lucky to have Koch Industries headquartered here. Why the hate? Do you wish they were somewhere else?

[ABC]

Six Degrees of Separation - Political Version

From the book: Dissent in Wichita, by Gretchen Cassel Eick
After the election, Barry Goldwater tried to distance himself from the John Birch Society, which continued to be active in Wichita. Over the next year, Birch-sponsored speakers included Edith Kermit Roosevelt, granddaughter of Teddy, and a syndicated right-wing journalist in her own right’ Clarence Manion, moderator of a syndicated weekly broadcast called the Manion Form and member of the society’s board; and Ronald Reagan. The John Birch Society considered Wichita “an area of solid activity” with between thirty and forty Birch chapters, between five and eight hundred members, and a full-time, paid staff person. Indeed, two of its twenty-six national board members were prominent local industrialists, Fred Koch and Bob Love. Birchers were, in general, quite hostile to the civil rights movement. By the following spring, the society’s founder; Robert Welch, would again attack it as part of a communist blueprint to establish a “Negro Soviet Republic” in the southeastern United States.

http://books.google.com/books?id=AwqAvzGFjr4C&pg=PA81&lpg=PA81&dq=%22john+stevens%22+wichita+mayor&source=bl&ots=laJ8_ojtT6&sig=YhsACnz6QVP5WacrEVJHpaVlpak&hl=en&ei=B-N8Sv7HEpTWNcWuhdoC&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3#v=onepage&q=%22john%20stevens%22%20wichita%20mayor&f=false

Americans for Prosperity - Koch Industries - Fred Koch - John Birch Society - Wichita State - Shocker Net

Doubtful that WSU would ever disavow Kochi Industries or the brothers, but it would not be hard to disavow Shocker Net should this off-topic forum get too far off the reservation..

Are you seriously bringin up the John Birch Society? How is this relevant? Fred Koch died 40 years ago.

[1979Shocker]

Chamber of Commerce opposes Obama's plans

WASHINGTON - If President Barack Obama wants to take the measure of his opposition, he only has to glance across Lafayette Park from the White House. There, behind 10 massive Corinthian columns, is the headquarters of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce — a leading critic of the administration's health care and banking overhaul plans.

A fortress for the business community, the chamber has emerged as a multitasking, multimillion-dollar defender of the private sector against presidential initiatives. As lawmakers spend time at home during their August vacation hearing from constituents, the chamber is adding its own heat to the season.

There's a $2 million campaign against Obama's proposals that would make the government a competitor in the health insurance market. It's trying to make the case for insurers, which oppose a government-run insurance alternative but want to work with the White House to mandate coverage for all.

[shockall]

You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift. You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot help the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer. You cannot further the brotherhood of man by encouraging class hatred. You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot keep out of trouble by spending more than you earn. You cannot build character and courage by taking away man's initiative and independence. You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves.

Abraham Lincoln

[WuDrWu]

You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift. You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot help the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer. You cannot further the brotherhood of man by encouraging class hatred. You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot keep out of trouble by spending more than you earn. You cannot build character and courage by taking away man's initiative and independence. You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves.

Abraham Lincoln

Whew.....good thing we recently elected a man cut from the same cloth as President Lincoln, only more awesome.

[kcshocker11]

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/l/lincoln-quotes.htm

You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift. You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot help the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer. You cannot further the brotherhood of man by encouraging class hatred. You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot keep out of trouble by spending more than you earn. You cannot build character and courage by taking away man's initiative and independence. You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves.
Abraham Lincoln

I think the above was said by William Boetcker, not Lincoln.

Summary of the eRumor:
Alleged quotes from Abraham Lincoln about the poor, the weak, prosperity, workers, class hatred, and character.
The Truth:
These words are often attributed to Abraham Lincoln, but according to the book They Never Said it: A Book of Fake Quotes, Misquotes, & Misleading Attributions, they are not from Lincoln.

The quotes were published in 1942 by William J. H. Boetcker, a Presbyterian minister. He released a pamphlet titled Lincoln On Limitations, which did include a Lincoln quote, but also added 10 statements written by Boetcker himself.



[color=#]Real Lincoln quotes that I like!

The dogmas of the quiet past are inadequate to the stormy present. The occasion is piled high with difficulty, and we must rise with the occasion. As our case is new, so we must think anew and act anew.

Abraham Lincoln

The shepherd drives the wolf from the sheep's for which the sheep thanks the shepherd as his liberator, while the wolf denounces him for the same act as the destroyer of liberty. Plainly, the sheep and the wolf are not agreed upon a definition of liberty.

Abraham Lincoln

Always liked Abe. 8) 8)

[RoyalShock]

Like it or not, Lincoln put the federal government ahead of all else. Those quotes kc used, if accurate, give us some insight as to why we no longer function as a strict constitutional republic.

"Dogmas of the quiet past" is another way of saying (at least in the minds of today's progressives) that the Constitution is an antiquated document, much of which no longer applies.

The only definition of liberty the wolf and shepherd need is the Constitution. Once the discussion no longer includes it as the focal point, there is no standard and democracy ensues (a very, very bad thing, IMO).

Sorry for the tangent.

[ShockCity]

Life is full of irony and contradiction...and C's can be just as contradictory as L's.

Both are corrupt and pretty much are crooks who do not have the best interests of Americans in mind.

Amen to this! They're all whackos and crooks. Anyone who thinks that ANY politician is telling the truth or working for their best interests is naive beyond belief.

[ShockCity]

You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift. You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot help the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer. You cannot further the brotherhood of man by encouraging class hatred. You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot keep out of trouble by spending more than you earn. You cannot build character and courage by taking away man's initiative and independence. You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves.

Abraham Lincoln

Whew.....good thing we recently elected a man cut from the same cloth as President Lincoln, only more awesome.

And...he replaced someone who was supposedly the next Ronald Reagan and ended up being more like Gomer Pyle. Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aa!!!!!!

[ShockCity]

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Story?id=7922187&page=1

"There's going to have to be some compromise at the end of the day," Obama said.

[SubGod22]

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Story?id=7922187&page=1

"There's going to have to be some compromise at the end of the day," Obama said.

Which for Obama usually means that the Republicans will have to give in to what the left wants. Because as he's said before, "I won, you lost." Or something to that effect.

[SubGod22]

Apparently all of us who think socialized medicine is a bad idea are un-American now. :roll:

According to Pelosi and her far left loons over half the country is now un-American. How dare we want to keep the best healthcare in the world and instead go to a beuracratic nightmare with gov't control.

[ShockCity]

According to Conservatives, Obama and anyone who is pro-healthcare are Nazi's.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32372258/ns/health-health_care/

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/health-care-reform/2009/08/adl_condemns_nazi_slurs_in_hea.html?hpid=news-col-blog

http://www.examiner.com/x-19545-Anchorage-Liberal-Examiner~y2009m8d10-Why-does-anyone-take-deathers-seriously

http://www.examiner.com/x-15931-Chicago-Political-Buzz-Examiner~y2009m8d9-Sarah-Palin-Wont-Let-Obamas-Death-Squads-Kill-Lil-Trigger

[WuDrWu]

It would seem there are more Nazis running around the United States right now than in Auschwitz.