Healthcare Hypocricy?

[1979Shocker]

GOP forces new House vote on health overhaul

WASHINGTON - After nine straight hours of beating back Republican amendments, Senate Democrats hit a temporary snag Thursday in their drive to rush through a package of fixes to the big health care law signed by President Barack Obama.

Democratic Senate leaders had hoped to complete work on the fix-it bill by midday Thursday and get it quickly to Obama to avoid prolonging what has been a politically painful ordeal for the party.

[SB Shock]

I wonder at what point do we see the possibility of another American revolution or civil war? We are seeing this administration doing is the same type of incremental things that Chavez and others have done to take down democratic societies.

[1979Shocker]

I wonder at what point do we see the possibility of another American revolution or civil war? We are seeing this administration doing is the same type of incremental things that Chavez and others have done to take down democratic societies.

I wonder what happens on the "Bring Your Guns to Washington Rally"?

It's interesting that they picked April 19th as the day for the rally. We all know what happened on April 19, 1993 in Waco and then what Timothy McVeigh did 2 years later on April 19th in Oklahoma City.

[SubGod22]

Congressional Staffers Complain About Double Standard in Health Care Law

Come 2014, all 100 U.S. senators, all 435 representatives in the House and every one of their personal aides will have to go to the newly formed state exchanges for health insurance -- just like everyone else in the country who isn't covered by their employer.

But select congressional leadership staffers -- some of whom wrote the health insurance act -- won't. And neither will White House staffers and Cabinet members -- nor the president himself. They will be allowed to keep their current plans, which are offered to all other federal employees.

"If it's such a good bill, why did the people who wrote the bill exempt themselves from it?" asked a Republican aide who requested anonymity. "With this administration it's always, 'Do as I say, not as I do,' just like paying your taxes!"

"If we're forced on the exchange, then everyone should be," a Democratic staffer said.

"If this health care bill is so great, then why are Obama's staff exempt?" a GOP aide scoffed. "If we have to give up our health care, then so should every federal employee."

[wsushox1]

All this end of the world talk scares me.

[rjl]

I wonder at what point do we see the possibility of another American revolution or civil war? We are seeing this administration doing is the same type of incremental things that Chavez and others have done to take down democratic societies.

Hilarious.

The democratic process doesn't go your way, so you talk about revolution and overthrowing the government.

Real American of you.

[rjl]

Good job, congress! It's nice to see what can happen when the government actually gives a damn about people.

ONE AND HALF TRILLION (with a T) plus every year in mostly failed and speeding towards financially insolvent entitlement programs I suppose isn't giving a damn about people?

Yes. This is our government spending money in America, where we can at least expect to get an equal amount of dollars in benefit, instead of spending a trillion dollars in Iraq for no good reason.

That doesn't even begin to cover the adulation I'm feeling for this country finally addressing the one glaring problem with our "richest nation in the world" tag we're all so proud of: how we take care of the health of our citizens, from top to bottom.

There is NOTHING more dangerous in this world than a stupid person with an education. You are exhibit one. Your stupidity has no bounds. Go chase another ambulance.

Let me know when you get your education, Doc, then I might start considering you a threat. Until then, however, I'll continue to treat you like my little politics forum plaything.

You might also want to stop with the weak insults, if just for a little while. You have attempted to debate "liberals" by claiming how they always argue so poorly (personal attacks, no facts, etc.), then committed those exact same tactics yourself just a few posts later.

If that doesn't call your intelligence into question, I don't know what does.

I'm sure you're a really decent guy in person. In fact, I'm quite positive of it. So why do you act like such a jackass in here?

[RoyalShock]

"A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government. "

"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent."

“The policy of the American government is to leave its citizens free, neither restraining them nor aiding them in their pursuits.”

"Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends [i.e., securing inherent and inalienable rights, with powers derived from the consent of the governed], it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness."

Signed,
Thomas Jefferson

[wsushox1]

Just vote the fools out in november.

[SubGod22]

"A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government. "

"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent."

“The policy of the American government is to leave its citizens free, neither restraining them nor aiding them in their pursuits.”

"Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends [i.e., securing inherent and inalienable rights, with powers derived from the consent of the governed], it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness."

Signed,
Thomas Jefferson

TJ is one of my all time favorites. :good:

[SB Shock]

I wonder at what point do we see the possibility of another American revolution or civil war? We are seeing this administration doing is the same type of incremental things that Chavez and others have done to take down democratic societies.

Hilarious.

The democratic process doesn't go your way, so you talk about revolution and overthrowing the government.

Real American of you.

I wouldn't be laughing. If the Democomunist want to make a mockery of Democracy...so be it, but the true Patriots will rise up.

"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

[Maggie]

Dear concerned citizens and those of you mandated under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act of 2010 (hereinafter “PPACA”) to have an SEIU-member nurse read this to you,

Look I don’t want to pay for this either. But sometimes you just have to take a beating, dust yourself off, and get back into the fight.

Not me, of course. Inspired by rjl’s enlightening posts I for one welcome our new bureaucratic overlords. I think I can be helpful explaining the forms to the proletariat and informing our leaders where the majority of contributors to this forum section are hiding their unearned wealth.

Moving on a lot of people on the Left cannot come to grips with the conservative “overreaction” to this legislation. Well, I don’t think it is an overreaction, and I can help liberals understand what’s happening. Consider the Patriot Act. Here was a law that affected a teeny-weeny number of people (don’t you start Royal). Almost all of the horrible things it did never happened. Remember all the teeth-gnashing about searched libraries? Totally bogus.

And yet, people all over the country got their dresses over their heads about the Patriot Act. Why? Well, I would argue partly out of addlepated paranoia, ignorance, and Bush hatred. They would argue it was out of deep-seated principle. Let’s compromise and say that for many, it was both, and for a few, it was all about principle.

Opposition to the PPACA seems vastly more rational to me. By its very design it affects everyone. It costs them money. It will cost them freedom. It will cost our country money, medical innovation, and mounds of debt. It involves far, far more government intrusion into our lives than the Patriot Act. And yet, many of the same people who considered the Patriot Act an American Nuremburg Law think this is one of the greatest moments in American history. :blink:

[SubGod22]

The Indiana Govs thoughts on Obamacare in the WSJ

[SubGod22]

Companies say health care costs hard to swallow

Figuring out what it will mean for retirees will take longer, but analysts said as many as 2 million could lose the prescription drug coverage provided by their former employers, leaving them to enroll in Medicare's program.

American industrial companies that are struggling to compete globally against companies with much lower labor costs are particularly likely to eventually drop retiree coverage, said Gene Imhoff, an accounting professor at the University of Michigan.

Consumers Energy, a Michigan gas and electric company with 2.9 million customers, said it will not take a big first-quarter charge because, like most utility companies, it can try to recover the added costs from its customers through rate hikes.

[SubGod22]

Illinois Is 40th State to Defend Health Care Choice; Oklahoma Health Freedom Bill Poised for Ballot