Charlottesville riots

[WuDrWu]

Not sure. It's certainly a complicated issue with many factors, but there definitely needs to be more done. One important one would be criminal justice reform, the system is not set up to prevent recidivism. It demonizes and creates career criminals of non-violent offenders. It also doesn't seek to rehabilitate anyone. Then there are other things regard education that need to be address, but again it's difficult to find the right answer but we certainly could be doing more. Overall I was just pointing out all things are not created equal, while yes poverty is a cultural, African Americans as a cultural were universally placed into poverty.

Bullshit. It does not CREATE career criminals. There are drug programs, school programs etc etc. Stop blaming everything but the people doing the wrong!

[pinstripers]

I heard stories about a guy who worked on the railroad, came from Indiana to Kansas. No money for shoes, tarred the bottoms of his bare feet. He was free, though. Homesteaded in Kansas

[ShockCrazy]

Bullshit. It does not CREATE career criminals. There are drug programs, school programs etc etc. Stop blaming everything but the people doing the wrong!

Alright sure status quo sure seems to be working. Lets keep it up!

http://time.com/4596081/incarceration-report/

[Aargh]

Children of well-educated parents have a likelihood of being better educated than children of less well educated parents. Parents who don't know how to prepare their children for the rigors of getting a good education are likely to produce children who will end up not as well educated.. We are only a few generations removed from an era when the schools for minorities were not places where an education could actually be expected.

There are many minorities alive today who remember the "Whites Only" signs. there are countless more whose grandparents lived in that era. Those people have heard what it was loike then and they are kinda pissed about it. I can't say I blame them.

I am well acquainted with a woman who worked at the Dockum drug store in downtown Wichita BEFORE the sit in there. She served a black man at the counter and was nearly fired for it. When Cleo Littleton played for WSU, he had to eat his meals on the team bus. He wasn't allowed in the restaurants where the rest of the team ate. He couldn't go to the same bathrooms as the rest of the team. Do you think his kids and grandkids haven't heard all about that? Do you think they're eager to forget how grandpa was treated?

Children from families with some family history of decent incomes, where there is some wealth passing between generations have an incredible number of advantages over children who come from families with a history of poverty. You are not going to find many minority families with a history of disposable income. There are some, but not many.

So, when do we get to let slavery go and pretend it didn't happen? In reality, probably never. How long do we have to "suffer" until we've paid for those past sins? In reality, way past the lifetimes of any reading this.

We can start looking at things immediately after the Civil War. The freed slaves had nothing. No money. No food. No form of transportation. All they had was their freedom. They had to do anything in order to feed, clothe, and shelter themselves. The next generation was the children of those former slaves competing with the children of plantation owners for educational and career opportunities, when the only people doing the hiring and educating were white. That did not work out well and began a cycle of inequal opportunity that continues today.

We still have cops who will stop people for being black in the wrong part of town or for being in the wrong kind of car. The percentage of the population using drugs and the percentage of people in prison for drug violations shows that minorities are more likely to be arrested and convicted for drug offenses than non-minorities.

The 7' center we're recruiting (I think his name is Penn-Jones) who grew up in Compton, a predominantly minority and poverty-stricken community said there are only two things to do there as a young male - play basketball or join a gang.

The idea that anyone anywhere can pick themselves up, get a good high school education, get into a decent college, have "somebody" pay for it or use loans, and then get a good job to escape the poverty that their family has lived in since the end of the Civil War, just is not accurate. People who grew up in families with some means and grew up in a neighborhood not dominated by violence, and had reasonably good and safe schools don't seem to understand the effect growing up poor with poorly educated parents has on people.

Growing up in an inner city is sort of like pinch hitting for someone when the count is no balls and two strikes and the guy on the mound is throwing 100 mile an hour heat. You might get a swing and you might connect, but the chances of it happening aren't good.

So, when will we have paid enough for the sins of our great-great-great-grandparents? I don't think it's ever going to happen. There is still a tremendous amount of racial tension both ways, and it's nowhere close to ending.

[wufan]

1. I would say slavery and Jim Crow were a long time ago. This country still has much upward mobility, in fact most people who are born poor will not stay poor. Since it only takes one generation to change income status, it is quite silly to believe that slavery has caused poverty today. Jim Crow ended over two generations ago.

2. Even if an individual was impacted by the ills of past injustices in that he has not accumulated as much wealth as others, what's the next step? Is it to make things unequal under the law? Why? There are three things that virtually garuntee that someone born into poverty will not be in poverty after one generation: Graduate high school, keep a job, and don't have children out of wedlock. Why not work to make sure kids are graduating with skills that make them employable and reduce the risk of pregnancy?

3. The argument is about patriarchy. Patriarchy, if it exists, is above the law. The way to beat patriarchy is to beat the system. The argument for making things more than equal is an argument against the US government, as in it must be toppled to make things fair because the law is already fair.

[ShockCrazy]

Children of well-educated parents have a likelihood of being better educated than children of less well educated parents. Parents who don't know how to prepare their children for the rigors of getting a good education are likely to produce children who will end up not as well educated.. We are only a few generations removed from an era when the schools for minorities were not places where an education could actually be expected.

There are many minorities alive today who remember the "Whites Only" signs. there are countless more whose grandparents lived in that era. Those people have heard what it was loike then and they are kinda pissed about it. I can't say I blame them.

I am well acquainted with a woman who worked at the Dockum drug store in downtown Wichita BEFORE the sit in there. She served a black man at the counter and was nearly fired for it. When Cleo Littleton played for WSU, he had to eat his meals on the team bus. He wasn't allowed in the restaurants where the rest of the team ate. He couldn't go to the same bathrooms as the rest of the team. Do you think his kids and grandkids haven't heard all about that? Do you think they're eager to forget how grandpa was treated?

Children from families with some family history of decent incomes, where there is some wealth passing between generations have an incredible number of advantages over children who come from families with a history of poverty. You are not going to find many minority families with a history of disposable income. There are some, but not many.

So, when do we get to let slavery go and pretend it didn't happen? In reality, probably never. How long do we have to "suffer" until we've paid for those past sins? In reality, way past the lifetimes of any reading this.

We can start looking at things immediately after the Civil War. The freed slaves had nothing. No money. No food. No form of transportation. All they had was their freedom. They had to do anything in order to feed, clothe, and shelter themselves. The next generation was the children of those former slaves competing with the children of plantation owners for educational and career opportunities, when the only people doing the hiring and educating were white. That did not work out well and began a cycle of inequal opportunity that continues today.

We still have cops who will stop people for being black in the wrong part of town or for being in the wrong kind of car. The percentage of the population using drugs and the percentage of people in prison for drug violations shows that minorities are more likely to be arrested and convicted for drug offenses than non-minorities.

The 7' center we're recruiting (I think his name is Penn-Jones) who grew up in Compton, a predominantly minority and poverty-stricken community said there are only two things to do there as a young male - play basketball or join a gang.

The idea that anyone anywhere can pick themselves up, get a good high school education, get into a decent college, have "somebody" pay for it or use loans, and then get a good job to escape the poverty that their family has lived in since the end of the Civil War, just is not accurate. People who grew up in families with some means and grew up in a neighborhood not dominated by violence, and had reasonably good and safe schools don't seem to understand the effect growing up poor with poorly educated parents has on people.

Growing up in an inner city is sort of like pinch hitting for someone when the count is no balls and two strikes and the guy on the mound is throwing 100 mile an hour heat. You might get a swing and you might connect, but the chances of it happening aren't good.

So, when will we have paid enough for the sins of our great-great-great-grandparents? I don't think it's ever going to happen. There is still a tremendous amount of racial tension both ways, and it's nowhere close to ending.

Fantastic post.

[BOBB]

1. I would say slavery and Jim Crow were a long time ago. This country still has much upward mobility, in fact most people who are born poor will not stay poor. Since it only takes one generation to change income status, it is quite silly to believe that slavery has caused poverty today. Jim Crow ended over two generations ago.

2. Even if an individual was impacted by the ills of past injustices in that he has not accumulated as much wealth as others, what's the next step? Is it to make things unequal under the law? Why? There are three things that virtually garuntee that someone born into poverty will not be in poverty after one generation: Graduate high school, keep a job, and don't have children out of wedlock. Why not work to make sure kids are graduating with skills that make them employable and reduce the risk of pregnancy?

3. The argument is about patriarchy. Patriarchy, if it exists, is above the law. The way to beat patriarchy is to beat the system. The argument for making things more than equal is an argument against the US government, as in it must be toppled to make things fair because the law is already fair.

2 generations is a blink.

[shockmonster]

Children of well-educated parents have a likelihood of being better educated than children of less well educated parents. Parents who don't know how to prepare their children for the rigors of getting a good education are likely to produce children who will end up not as well educated.. We are only a few generations removed from an era when the schools for minorities were not places where an education could actually be expected.

There are many minorities alive today who remember the "Whites Only" signs. there are countless more whose grandparents lived in that era. Those people have heard what it was loike then and they are kinda pissed about it. I can't say I blame them.

I am well acquainted with a woman who worked at the Dockum drug store in downtown Wichita BEFORE the sit in there. She served a black man at the counter and was nearly fired for it. When Cleo Littleton played for WSU, he had to eat his meals on the team bus. He wasn't allowed in the restaurants where the rest of the team ate. He couldn't go to the same bathrooms as the rest of the team. Do you think his kids and grandkids haven't heard all about that? Do you think they're eager to forget how grandpa was treated?

Children from families with some family history of decent incomes, where there is some wealth passing between generations have an incredible number of advantages over children who come from families with a history of poverty. You are not going to find many minority families with a history of disposable income. There are some, but not many.

So, when do we get to let slavery go and pretend it didn't happen? In reality, probably never. How long do we have to "suffer" until we've paid for those past sins? In reality, way past the lifetimes of any reading this.

We can start looking at things immediately after the Civil War. The freed slaves had nothing. No money. No food. No form of transportation. All they had was their freedom. They had to do anything in order to feed, clothe, and shelter themselves. The next generation was the children of those former slaves competing with the children of plantation owners for educational and career opportunities, when the only people doing the hiring and educating were white. That did not work out well and began a cycle of inequal opportunity that continues today.

We still have cops who will stop people for being black in the wrong part of town or for being in the wrong kind of car. The percentage of the population using drugs and the percentage of people in prison for drug violations shows that minorities are more likely to be arrested and convicted for drug offenses than non-minorities.

The 7' center we're recruiting (I think his name is Penn-Jones) who grew up in Compton, a predominantly minority and poverty-stricken community said there are only two things to do there as a young male - play basketball or join a gang.

The idea that anyone anywhere can pick themselves up, get a good high school education, get into a decent college, have "somebody" pay for it or use loans, and then get a good job to escape the poverty that their family has lived in since the end of the Civil War, just is not accurate. People who grew up in families with some means and grew up in a neighborhood not dominated by violence, and had reasonably good and safe schools don't seem to understand the effect growing up poor with poorly educated parents has on people.

Growing up in an inner city is sort of like pinch hitting for someone when the count is no balls and two strikes and the guy on the mound is throwing 100 mile an hour heat. You might get a swing and you might connect, but the chances of it happening aren't good.

So, when will we have paid enough for the sins of our great-great-great-grandparents? I don't think it's ever going to happen. There is still a tremendous amount of racial tension both ways, and it's nowhere close to ending.

My great great great grandfather came to America from Eastern EuropeWestern Russia and settled in a German community with little money. He began a legacy of farming without slaves and a family that stuck together through the next generations with very few exceptions, believed in faith, serving others, and education for his children. I think that his legacy is still alive today with families who stick together, raise children with high expectations, a measured respect for alcohol and temperance to drugs, and a knowledge of the importance of a college education. Another part of our family walked the Trail of Tears but did not stay on the reservation raising families with a similar blue print and belief in education. While our modern families aren't perfect, and there are exceptions, the blue print hasn't died. When grandparents have to raise their grand children, and even more sad, if grand parents aren't there to pick up the pieces of their failed children, that is when generations fail. Of course there are exceptions to generational sin but it takes more perseverance to do it.

[shockmonster]

Children of well-educated parents have a likelihood of being better educated than children of less well educated parents. Parents who don't know how to prepare their children for the rigors of getting a good education are likely to produce children who will end up not as well educated.. We are only a few generations removed from an era when the schools for minorities were not places where an education could actually be expected.

There are many minorities alive today who remember the "Whites Only" signs. there are countless more whose grandparents lived in that era. Those people have heard what it was loike then and they are kinda pissed about it. I can't say I blame them.

I am well acquainted with a woman who worked at the Dockum drug store in downtown Wichita BEFORE the sit in there. She served a black man at the counter and was nearly fired for it. When Cleo Littleton played for WSU, he had to eat his meals on the team bus. He wasn't allowed in the restaurants where the rest of the team ate. He couldn't go to the same bathrooms as the rest of the team. Do you think his kids and grandkids haven't heard all about that? Do you think they're eager to forget how grandpa was treated?

Children from families with some family history of decent incomes, where there is some wealth passing between generations have an incredible number of advantages over children who come from families with a history of poverty. You are not going to find many minority families with a history of disposable income. There are some, but not many.

So, when do we get to let slavery go and pretend it didn't happen? In reality, probably never. How long do we have to "suffer" until we've paid for those past sins? In reality, way past the lifetimes of any reading this.

We can start looking at things immediately after the Civil War. The freed slaves had nothing. No money. No food. No form of transportation. All they had was their freedom. They had to do anything in order to feed, clothe, and shelter themselves. The next generation was the children of those former slaves competing with the children of plantation owners for educational and career opportunities, when the only people doing the hiring and educating were white. That did not work out well and began a cycle of inequal opportunity that continues today.

We still have cops who will stop people for being black in the wrong part of town or for being in the wrong kind of car. The percentage of the population using drugs and the percentage of people in prison for drug violations shows that minorities are more likely to be arrested and convicted for drug offenses than non-minorities.

The 7' center we're recruiting (I think his name is Penn-Jones) who grew up in Compton, a predominantly minority and poverty-stricken community said there are only two things to do there as a young male - play basketball or join a gang.

The idea that anyone anywhere can pick themselves up, get a good high school education, get into a decent college, have "somebody" pay for it or use loans, and then get a good job to escape the poverty that their family has lived in since the end of the Civil War, just is not accurate. People who grew up in families with some means and grew up in a neighborhood not dominated by violence, and had reasonably good and safe schools don't seem to understand the effect growing up poor with poorly educated parents has on people.

Growing up in an inner city is sort of like pinch hitting for someone when the count is no balls and two strikes and the guy on the mound is throwing 100 mile an hour heat. You might get a swing and you might connect, but the chances of it happening aren't good.

So, when will we have paid enough for the sins of our great-great-great-grandparents? I don't think it's ever going to happen. There is still a tremendous amount of racial tension both ways, and it's nowhere close to ending.

My great great great grandfather came to America from Eastern EuropeWestern Russia and settled in a German community with little money. He began a legacy of farming without slaves and a family that stuck together through the next generations with very few exceptions, believed in faith, serving others, and education for his children. I think that his legacy is still alive today with families who stick together, raise children with high expectations, a temperance to alcohol and drugs, and a knowledge of the importance of a college education. Another part of our family walked the Trail of Tears but did not stay on the reservation raising families with a similar blue print and belief in education. While modern families aren't perfect, and there are exceptions, the blue print hasn't died. When grandparents are raising their grand children, and even more sad, if grand parents aren't there to pick up the pieces of their failed children, that is when generations fail. Government assistance itself isn't a death knoll to families but when generations depend on it and have no expectations for their children, for whatever social ill, families die.

[Aargh]

I worked to pay for my education. I studied accounting and was typically the #1 or #2 person in my accounting classes. Naturally, I wanted to get a good job after college.

I spent time with advisors asking what I could do to help me get a job with one of the better accounting firms. I was told that I needed to volunteer for charitable services to the community. I questioned that, since I was working and had no time to do volunteer work.

I was told that people doing hiring tend to employ those who are more like themselves and more like others they have hired. That's their successful track record for hiring and that's what they rely on for future hires. The better CPA firms were largely made up of people who had decent college records and had donated time to charitable organizations while attendoing college. That was among their hiring criteria.

I didn't fit their hiring pattern because I didn't have family funds that would allow me to give time to charitable causes. The places I wanted to work wanted employees who had shown their willingness and ability to give back to the community. That was the "politically correct" term for the philosophy that rich kids got hired and then they hired other rich kids.

All things being equal, the better jobs went to those who did not have to work while going to school. All things being unequal (coursework better than other applicants), the better jobs went to those who had demonstrated they didn't need to work while attending school. That was more "like" the person doing the hiring.

[wufan]

2 generations is a blink.

If 2 generations is a blink of the eye, then it only takes half a blink to get out of poverty, and the steps are not especially difficult. How long does it take to escape poverty? One generation. Why is anyone saying that slavery, which ended nearly 8 generations ago is holding people back?

If your argument is that life isn't fair, I agree with you. Now that we understand reality what are the options knowing that everyone is equal under the law? Overthrow the system or do the best you can. What are the possible outcomes of each? Socialism (not awesome for USSR, China, N Korea, Cuba, Venezuela) or equal opportunity but not equal outcome.

[ShockTalk]

If 2 generations is a blink of the eye, then it only takes half a blink to get out of poverty, and the steps are not especially difficult. How long does it take to escape poverty? One generation. Why is anyone saying that slavery, which ended nearly 8 generations ago is holding people back?

If your argument is that life isn't fair, I agree with you. Now that we understand reality what are the options knowing that everyone is equal under the law? Overthrow the system or do the best you can. What are the possible outcomes of each? Socialism (not awesome for USSR, China, N Korea, Cuba, Venezuela) or equal opportunity but not equal outcome.

For more on the above, you might want to check this thread.

The Millennial Success Sequence

[Play Angry]

Mitt Romney yesterday called for the President to apologize for Tuesday's statements and said the leadership must advocate for unification rather than than divisiveness.

[Aargh]

If 2 generations is a blink of the eye, then it only takes half a blink to get out of poverty, and the steps are not especially difficult. How long does it take to escape poverty? One generation. Why is anyone saying that slavery, which ended nearly 8 generations ago is holding people back?

If your argument is that life isn't fair, I agree with you. Now that we understand reality what are the options knowing that everyone is equal under the law? Overthrow the system or do the best you can. What are the possible outcomes of each? Socialism (not awesome for USSR, China, N Korea, Cuba, Venezuela) or equal opportunity but not equal outcome.

How is it that you have come to know the steps aren't difficult? Did you grow up with poorly educated parents in a neighborhood where no one had good jobs and poverty was the rule?

[pinstripers]

I guess the billion dollar question is how do you get folks off of government assistance, re-connect families, and re-establish work ethic?