Debate about "safe-places" at KU

[MoValley John]

We'll have to agree to disagree. I don't believe a dead heat in that age group implies it was his key demographic.

To me, his best support was young people and his popularity was, essentially, reversely correlated with age.

It's all really off topic, though. The point was that Bernie was popular with young people (do you disagree with that?) so his activism is the model they attempt to emulate, even if they do so poorly. I guess it doesn't matter since you can point to a couple of examples of older liberals being dumb, so obviously we're all hypocrites interested in restricting as many freedoms as possible.

No, I don't disagree. I think Bernie did well in most demos. I never said the middle agers were his best support, or that the youth wasn't his strongest, only that he did well with the middle aged and working class and that the youth wasn't his only support. Personally, I was very impressed with how he did across the board, surprised, actually. That said, an aging, hippie socialist isn't going to win the 55+ demo, so I'd say, all things considered, he garnered good support there, too.

[MoValley John]

I just reread the whole interaction, I didn't twist anything, you did when you posted the data. Nowhere before that was there any mention that the middle aged group being his strongest support, only that he had support. Your post with the data tried to counter some nonexistent post where I said the middle agers were his strongest support.

[wufan]

I agree with @Aargh: and his asshole hypothesis. I'm a constitutional/fiscal conservative that is libertarian leaning. I don't understand the Lawrence SJW movement and similar movements where the idea is to disrupt and shame people for shaming people. They have no logical arguments and they are anti-free speech.

[ShockingButTrue]

I agree with @Aargh and his asshole hypothesis. I'm a constitutional/fiscal conservative that is libertarian leaning. I don't understand the Lawrence SJW movement and similar movements where the idea is to disrupt and shame people for shaming people. They have no logical arguments and they are anti-free speech.

Hell yes the are. Because they're mind readers too!

[jdshock]

I just reread the whole interaction, I didn't twist anything, you did when you posted the data. Nowhere before that was there any mention that the middle aged group being his strongest support, only that he had support. Your post with the data tried to counter some nonexistent post where I said the middle agers were his strongest support.

I apologize if I derailed it, but I can't for the life of me figure out why you'd bring up his support among the middle aged right after I said he was hugely popular with young people unless you were arguing he wasn't popular with young people.

Someone said this safe space stuff is the face of progressivism for young people. I said it's not, Bernie's activism is. And then you said he was popular with the middle aged. If you weren't arguing, I'm sorry for misunderstanding your point.

[martymoose]

You should meet more liberals.

We're in Kansas where "Liberal" is thrown around like a bad word. Go to Portland and call someone a Conservative...you might as well give them the middle finger. Kansas type conservatives are in the minority nation wide...see the last 6 or so presidential elections. Unfortunately in Kansas you can dress a gorilla up and tell them he's a republican and they'll vote for him...see Sam Brownback...and it goes the other way in liberal states. If you're in the minority (kansas liberal), you're going to get treated like a second class citizen and like your opinion is crazy. I definitely lean more liberal than conservative and have voted Democrat a lot more times than Republican over the last 8+ years because I didn't like the way the crazy Conservative Tea Party was going. All that said I think it would be hard for anyone to support what the groups in Lawrence are doing. That's the extreme in the other direction and there's no way I could back those idiots.

[jdshock]

Unfortunately in Kansas you can dress a gorilla up and tell them he's a republican and they'll vote for him...see Sam Brownback...and it goes the other way in liberal states

You racist, sexist pig. You should be banned.





just kidding, in case it wasn't clear.

[wufan]

We're in Kansas where "Liberal" is thrown around like a bad word. Go to Portland and call someone a Conservative...you might as well give them the middle finger. Kansas type conservatives are in the minority nation wide...see the last 6 or so presidential elections. Unfortunately in Kansas you can dress a gorilla up and tell them he's a republican and they'll vote for him...see Sam Brownback...and it goes the other way in liberal states. If you're in the minority (kansas liberal), you're going to get treated like a second class citizen and like your opinion is crazy. I definitely lean more liberal than conservative and have voted Democrat a lot more times than Republican over the last 8+ years because I didn't like the way the crazy Conservative Tea Party was going. All that said I think it would be hard for anyone to support what the groups in Lawrence are doing. That's the extreme in the other direction and there's no way I could back those idiots.

The point of your post is well made, but conservatives aren't that rare nation wide. Conservatives are rare in areas that have dense population and real issues with poverty and racism. In these pockets, liberal folks can't imagine a world where the government isn't trying to fix the problem. They have a valid point. In more rural areas, such as those that make up the fly over states, conservatives can't imagine a world where government needs to be involved in daily activities. Also a valid point. This is why states rights are an important principle in my mind.

[ShockBand]

The point of your post is well made, but conservatives aren't that rare nation wide. Conservatives are rare in areas that have dense population and real issues with poverty and racism. In these pockets, liberal folks can't imagine a world where the government isn't trying to fix the problem. They have a valid point. In more rural areas, such as those that make up the fly over states, conservatives can't imagine a world where government needs to be involved in daily activities. Also a valid point. This is why states rights are an important principle in my mind.

It gets (and is getting more so) interesting in states that are becoming a deeper blend of both. The following link has the last two presidential elections showing winner county by county, but it also ends with a US graphic that adjusts the state size for population. Interesting stuff.

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/2012-election-county-by-county/