Trump

[WstateU]

Donald is walking out of the White House and heading toward his limo, when a hater steps forward and swings a stick.

A secret service agent, new on the job, shouts “Mickey Mouse!” This startles the would be attacker and he is captured.

Later, the secret service agent’s supervisor takes him aside and asks,

“What in the hell made you shout Mickey Mouse?”

Blushing, the agent replies, “I got nervous. I meant to shout“Donald, duck!”

[jdshock]

Lol, Trump didn't allow the public release of the Dems response to the Nunes memo.

DOJ says don't release Nunes memo at all. Trump does anyway.
DOJ apparently makes certain recommendations about redactions for Dems memo. Trump blocks the release.

[wufan]

Looks like partison politics will continue.

[pinstripers]

I don't believe that Trump, or Obama, or Hillary will ever serve any time, though I imagine they all should. There ain't no way any of them can be investigated on a non-partisan basis.

[wufan]

Here’s my take on the FISA warrant. Steele digs up info on Trump on the part of the DNC. Because he hates Trump, and because he is doing opposition research, he’s looking for anything that has just enough plausibility that it might work in a political attack.

Little info comes of the digging that is more useful than the already in place “Trump is a bigoted, islamaphobic, racist, white supremacist” narrative already in use. Everyone knows Hillary will win, so no one pays attention...except the FBI, who see their old pal Carter Page might be up to some shenanigans again. FISA warrant obtained under real suspiscions, but not related to campaign collusion.

Hillary loses and the leftists search for answers. “The Russians must have influenced the election!” Trump hears this and knows the FBI was monitoring Page during a time that Trump would of had conversations with him. He thinks the FBI was after him.

Partisan spin ensues.

[ShockingButTrue]

You mean the FBI wasn't after him? What have we been hearing reports of for the last month? Of course most of us new how shady the FBI, and the DOJ was from over a year and a half ago, and it had nothing to do with wikileaks. No? There's proof.

[wufan]

The FBI as an institution was almost definitely not after him...although I will admit that not all evidence has been presented.

Similar statement for Trump Russia collusion. Unless there is some evidence being withheld, no collusion occurred.

[ShockingButTrue]

There's enough evidence to raise skepticism in any rational person's mind, of course excluding Hollywood and that dingbat M. Waters.

[ShockingButTrue]

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/09/u...sia-trump.html

So if I understand it correctly, surveillance warrants were issued by a "secret court" based upon FBI intelligence gathered from these guys, Russian intelligentsa? Oh yeah, and apparently from the DOJ too? Does that sound right?

Mueller better get busy and indict before the current DOJ does. Or, before the IG report comes out in several weeks. He who hesitates...

He's got a seemingly pretty easy case doesn't he; Trump obstructed justice by the firing of Comey (ha ha). They are absolutely outsmarting themselves. Or is Trump outsmarting them?

[CBB_Fan]

For those that believe the insane authoritarian conspiracy that Obama, Hillary, Comey, Mueller, McCabe all worked to try take down the pure-as-driven-snow Trump, let me ask one simple question: How? Where are the emails, meetings, texts? The orders to underlings? The hidden directives?

Your theory (which basically requires us to make Trump a dictator that can purge his enemies with utter impunity from the law) requires utter coordination from the leadership of this conspiracy and devotion from the thousands of underlings that would have to work together to make this happen. And they did this without emailing to each other about it, without coordinating to meet, and while somehow getting the trust of all the Republicans that called Comey and Mueller absolutely great choices for an investigation.

Meanwhile with the Trump-Russia investigation, we HAVE all the evidence of a conspiracy. We have the secret back channels, the trips to Moscow, the many meetings on the campaign trail, the emails talking about Russia's support for Trump, the server in Trump Tower communicating with Alfa Bank, the meeting between Trump officials and Russian spy chiefs. We have both motive and opportunity. There are literally thousands of documented ways the Trump campaign communicated with Russia, whereas the proof of Obama ordering the FISA court to wiretap Trump has one tweet with little context.

We literally have proof that Obama could have gone public with the Trump-Russia campaign and chose not to do so because it would delegitimize the process. So this mastermind that can coordinate thousands of officials in a criminal conspiracy without text, email, or word of mouth; yet he was utterly incompetent and allowed Trump to take the Presidency without so much as a peep. For this conspiracy theory to be true Obama needs to be both overwhelmingly coordinated and ridiculously stupid.

We live in absolutely opposite realities, and it becoming a threat to the country's future.

[ShockingButTrue]

Stupid for sure, as you vividly apprised...

http://politicalvanguard.com/biased-fbi-and-doj-officials-broke-the-law-and-tried-to-decide-the-election-an-annotated-timeline/

[wufan]

Confirmation bias?

[JJClamdip]

For those that believe the insane authoritarian conspiracy that Obama, Hillary, Comey, Mueller, McCabe all worked to try take down the pure-as-driven-snow Trump, let me ask one simple question: How? Where are the emails, meetings, texts? The orders to underlings? The hidden directives?

Your theory (which basically requires us to make Trump a dictator that can purge his enemies with utter impunity from the law) requires utter coordination from the leadership of this conspiracy and devotion from the thousands of underlings that would have to work together to make this happen. And they did this without emailing to each other about it, without coordinating to meet, and while somehow getting the trust of all the Republicans that called Comey and Mueller absolutely great choices for an investigation.

Meanwhile with the Trump-Russia investigation, we HAVE all the evidence of a conspiracy. We have the secret back channels, the trips to Moscow, the many meetings on the campaign trail, the emails talking about Russia's support for Trump, the server in Trump Tower communicating with Alfa Bank, the meeting between Trump officials and Russian spy chiefs. We have both motive and opportunity. There are literally thousands of documented ways the Trump campaign communicated with Russia, whereas the proof of Obama ordering the FISA court to wiretap Trump has one tweet with little context.

We literally have proof that Obama could have gone public with the Trump-Russia campaign and chose not to do so because it would delegitimize the process. So this mastermind that can coordinate thousands of officials in a criminal conspiracy without text, email, or word of mouth; yet he was utterly incompetent and allowed Trump to take the Presidency without so much as a peep. For this conspiracy theory to be true Obama needs to be both overwhelmingly coordinated and ridiculously stupid.

We live in absolutely opposite realities, and it becoming a threat to the country's future.

No kidding, opposite of reality is where you exist.

It's fun reading your delusional posts, please keep them coming.

[ShockingButTrue]

Oh, what a tangled web we weave...

Could the left be any more stupid?...

http://politicalvanguard.com/biased-...ated-timeline/

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It would be a good idea to read this, if so inclined, because it could be taken down off of the web any minute now (AGAIN).

[CBB_Fan]

No kidding, opposite of reality is where you exist.

It's fun reading your delusional posts, please keep them coming.

I asked a question. You make an extraordinary claim, that the entirety of our justice system (every intelligence agency, the DoJ, the President, the state department, etc.) criminally conspired to take down Donald Trump. Extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence.

How was this incredible conspiracy managed? We are talking thousands of people somehow working together to take down Trump, all without significant physical or digital evidence. Obama's evil orders needed to be given to the secret court judges by text, email, or word of mouth. Hillary had to work with Mueller, McCabe, Rosenstein, Comey, Bhahara ... when and how did they meet? Where are the emails? How did the 2nd level of people, your McCabes and Comeys, stay in lockstep? What about the other members of the intelligence community? The Senate/House Intelligence communities?

That evidence does not exist because there is no conspiracy.

[JJClamdip]

I asked a question. You make an extraordinary claim, that the entirety of our justice system (every intelligence agency, the DoJ, the President, the state department, etc.) criminally conspired to take down Donald Trump. Extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence.

How was this incredible conspiracy managed? We are talking thousands of people somehow working together to take down Trump, all without significant physical or digital evidence. Obama's evil orders needed to be given to the secret court judges by text, email, or word of mouth. Hillary had to work with Mueller, McCabe, Rosenstein, Comey, Bhahara ... when and how did they meet? Where are the emails? How did the 2nd level of people, your McCabes and Comeys, stay in lockstep? What about the other members of the intelligence community? The Senate/House Intelligence communities?

That evidence does not exist because there is no conspiracy.

Keep preaching it baby!!!!!!

It is comical, the denial of the left wing Hillary twinkies.

[CBB_Fan]

I voted for Gary Johnson in this election and the last.

Answer the question. If thousands of executive branch officials supposedly were so biased against Trump they'd break the law to get rid of him (but not go public against him during the election...), there must be hundreds of thousands of emails, texts, and in-person meetings facilitating the conspiracy. Where are they? Instead, we have insinuations. Obviously Obama would have done this for that reason. Obviously the DoJ wouldn't convict. Obviously Mueller and Comey would protect themselves. Do you know what that really means? You are using your bias as evidence! Even the Strzok/Page texts have just 1 text that can even be insinuated to show conspiracy.

Answer the question. You are alleging the largest criminal conspiracy in the history of the world, you better have an equivalent amount of evidence.

[JJClamdip]

I voted for Gary Johnson in this election and the last.

Answer the question. If thousands of executive branch officials supposedly were so biased against Trump they'd break the law to get rid of him (but not go public against him during the election...), there must be hundreds of thousands of emails, texts, and in-person meetings facilitating the conspiracy. Where are they? Instead, we have insinuations. Obviously Obama would have done this for that reason. Obviously the DoJ wouldn't convict. Obviously Mueller and Comey would protect themselves. Do you know what that really means? You are using your bias as evidence! Even the Strzok/Page texts have just 1 text that can even be insinuated to show conspiracy.

Answer the question. You are alleging the largest criminal conspiracy in the history of the world, you better have an equivalent amount of evidence.

The Russians and big bad Vad did it!

Keep it up though, it makes great reading.

[CBB_Fan]

Thanks for conceding the point.

[wufan]

I don’t even think it’s a conspiracy, but your question can be easily answered.

The DNC fed information to Steele. This is likely true, but not definitively. Steele sent the info to the FBI. A couple of biased feds believed the info to be true (confirmation bias) and propagated it as truth. Once the agenda is set to go after Trump, the others fall in line to investigate and verify the info.

The whole ole alleged conspiracy only requires a couple of cronies from the DNC, a couple from the FBI and a private investigator. The DNC and Steele already have the motive, so you only need a handful of key individuals in the DOJ/FBI...not thousands. Add to that the suspicious e-mails from a couple of agents and six months of “missing” e-mails and is a reasonable position to believe in a conspiracy.

[CBB_Fan]

I don’t even think it’s a conspiracy, but your question can be easily answered.

The DNC fed information to Steele. This is likely true, but not definitively. Steele sent the info to the FBI. A couple of biased feds believed the info to be true (confirmation bias) and propagated it as truth. Once the agenda is set to go after Trump, the others fall in line to investigate and verify the info.

The whole ole alleged conspiracy only requires a couple of cronies from the DNC, a couple from the FBI and a private investigator. The DNC and Steele already have the motive, so you only need a handful of key individuals in the DOJ/FBI...not thousands. Add to that the suspicious e-mails from a couple of agents and six months of “missing” e-mails and is a reasonable position to believe in a conspiracy.

The DNC didn't "feed information to Steele." What you are referring to (because I make sure to keep aware of the conservative misinformation sphere) is a report from Fox News reporting on the Nunes memo, particularly a section that said Steele received information from "a foreign sub-source who 'is in touch with (redacted), a contact of (redacted), a friend of the Clintons, who passed it to (redacted)."

We actually know every aspect of this claim. Let me explain why it is utterly false and misleading.

This wasn't about the Steele dossier at all. This was about the second dossier compiled by political activist Cody Shearer, passed on to Steele by Johnathan Winer (Obama's special envoy to Libya). Steele knew Winer previously, as Winer had passed along Steele's Russia and Ukraine reports to the State Department's Europe bureau in 2014 and 2016. The "memorandum" Nunes's memo talks about is a handwritten note Steele wrote outlining Shearer's source for the claims in his dossier, explaining Shearer's connection to Sidney Blumenthal, and saying Steele got the dossier from Winer who got it from Shearer. It also, crucially, said that Steele could not vouch for the veracity of the Shearer memo.

Steele disclosed the possible conflict of interest, did not vouch for the veracity of the Shearer memo, and did not use the memo as a source for anything in his dossier.

Now let me get back to my point earlier. You take insinuations as evidence. You assume Shearer automatically was guilty of passing information from the Clinton campaign, simply because he is two links away from Clinton. That's like me saying BTK's wife's nephew is guilty of conspiring to kill women just because he was vaguely associated with the killer. It took nothing else for you to establish a narrative and run with it.

Secondly, you are wrong about basically the entire investigation process. If the Shearer and Steele memos were known or assumed to be absolutely true by the FBI, Trump would have been indicted at that time with no need for follow-up. The reason they were going to get a FISA warrant in the first place was to attempt to verify claims they were unsure about. You are indirectly arguing that the FBI shouldn't have attempted to verify the claims because they were unverified.

The "suspicious" texts from Page and Strzok amount to a single email talking about Obama among thousands of talks about their everyday lives and work. Yes, those two agents were personally biased against Trump and for Hillary. That does not mean they were unprofessional in their jobs, and definitely isn't proof of a massive criminal conspiracy. In fact, Strzok co-wrote the Comey letter that essentially handed the election to Trump in its final hour.

So all these people accused of scheming to undermine Trump not only failed to do so while he was running as a candidate, but made active choices that ended up helping him. Obama chose to head McConnell's advice and avoid delegitimizing the election by talking about the Russia investigation. Strzok chose to help write a letter that undercut Clinton and boosted Trump to the finish line.