Trump

[Kung Wu]

You realize your whole argument is that you know what I meant in my original post better than I do? You are the only one that misunderstood. Other posters have commented that they understood exactly what I was saying.

However, none of that should matter. We are here to communicate ideas, and I have made every possible effort responding to you to help you understand my point. A good and honest man says "OK, thanks for clarifying. Sorry I misunderstood you." and the conversation can move forward. All you keep doing is responding that you don't even care about my ideas, you just want to claim I made a typo and make ridiculous claims questioning my honesty. Next you will probably be telling me that my mini research project diatribe on why the Shox should get in the NCAA Tournament this year (boy was that a long post) requires an apology because you disagree with my word choice of whom vs who.

You know exactly what you are doing, and it is the epitome of scummy behavior. I'm glad you can back away from the word "asserted", but you are still being a butt. You have even admitted that you don't want to discuss ideas, just reach for ways to attack my integrity.

You are the deceptive one, playing games back and forth between serious discussion and pretentious and disingenuous nonsense. You play that game so that you can float out ideas, continue the conversation if it goes the way you want, and the fall back on "eh, I was just being a dick for the fun of it" if the discussion doesn't go the way you wanted to. I despise that game.

If you continually insist that your misunderstanding, despite my straightforward assistance to clarify, is somehow my fault, then you are just a complete jerk. I haven't dropped this because it is a pet peeve of mine. I despise people who are out to push bad motives on others for no good reason. It is one (of many) reasons I have such contempt for ShockerFever. I never intended to deceive anyone, and your continual arguing that I did is beyond unnecessary. I'm not joking when I say you are representing Trumpishness perfectly. It is really amazing how strong the correlation is between Trump support and a desire to play unfair, seek out the worst in others, and generally act like an ass.

You still haven't answered the question.

[Kung Wu]

For every new voter Trump brings out, I bet there are 2-3 normal voters thinking of sitting out this year. My worry is that conservatives stay home. Staying home in 2012 due to Romney and Mormonism was a big myth and didn't actually happen. In 2016 with Trump, I think it might, and it would surely give the Dems a big boost in down ballot races.

My hope is that a 3rd party libertarian actually gains notoriety, enough so that frustrated conservatives feel it is worth their time to still go vote without having to choose Trump or Clinton. Personally, I'll write in Rubio before I stay home, but I know that isn't the case for many others. Conservatives need to have someone to rally around, not necessarily to win the White House in 2016, but to simply get out the vote for all the other races that can be won. It is frustrating that so many people show up only thinking about the presidency, and then quickly make selections on other races once they are in the booth, but it is a reality that must be dealt with.

In 2025 when it comes out that Bill Clinton worked out a shady backroom deal to convince Trump to launch his 2016 campaign, he will probably look like a genius. A dishonest, immoral, manipulative genius, but a genius none-the-less. I'm really concerned that this election won't just be the loss of the presidency for 4-8 more years of a Clinton, but a significant liberal swing in federal and state positions that loses much of the significant gains that have been made in recent years.

Recent polls are saying that 8 out of 10 Republicans already want a unified party under Trump, and he is getting 87% support from GOP members -- and he isn't even squaring off against Hillary yet since she's having to fend off Bernie. Of course it's difficult to tell which polls to believe.

Earlier I was of the opinion that he would have a more difficult time against Hillary than he would Bernie, but I am not so sure anymore.

[Aargh]

Looks like Trump has now moved to even or ahead of Clinton. Any takers for the over/under on when the Dems throw the first dirt?

I think it will be interesting to watch the timing of the mud-slinging. There's a huge supply on both sides.

Donald Trump as leader of the free world? I think I'd actually prefer Obama. But I know I'd prefer Obama to Hillary. How's that for election decision-making? Comparing how much worse than Obama the current candidates would be.

[SHOXJOCK]

Looks like Trump has now moved to even or ahead of Clinton. Any takers for the over/under on when the Dems throw the first dirt?

I think it will be interesting to watch the timing of the mud-slinging. There's a huge supply on both sides.

Donald Trump as leader of the free world? I think I'd actually prefer Obama. But I know I'd prefer Obama to Hillary. How's that for election decision-making? Comparing how much worse than Obama the current candidates would be.

You are a great shocker fan but you lost me at Obama. I may vote for Trump because I'm not a fan of Hillary. But Hillary over Obama all day long. Obama, Ford, Carter the three worst in my life time.

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

You still haven't answered the question.

I've answered and explained myself over and over. What possible question do you still honestly have?

[Aargh]

You are a great shocker fan but you lost me at Obama. I may vote for Trump because I'm not a fan of Hillary. But Hillary over Obama all day long. Obama, Ford, Carter the three worst in my life time.

Then my post should give you a pretty clear indication of my opinion of the current candidates.

[WstateU]

I wasn’t on board with “The Donald” in the beginning, however I’ve concluded he’s the best choice. You can't be a 'dumb ****' and accomplish what he has. The following could be mostly ‘right wing’ propaganda, however it's a pretty good read anyway. Running as the "Blue Collar Billionaire" might just get him elected.

(Source – an email from an 'undecided' friend of a friend)

Specifications:
* Donald John Trump, was born June 14, 1946.
* He will be 70 years old on election-day.
* >From the Internet, he is 6'2" or 6'3' and weighs between 195 and
200 lbs.
* He has a full head of blond/brown hair (which is long and
elaborately combed) and blue eyes.
* The Internet tells us he wears a size 12 shoe.
* Donald Trump was born the fourth of five children who were born
over eleven years.
* The oldest, Mary Ann, was born in 1937 and is currently a Federal
Judge.
* His older brother, Fred Jr, died in early adulthood as a result of
complications from alcoholism.
* He has another older sister, Elizabeth and a younger brother,
Robert.
* Donald Trump has been married three times.
* Trump's first wife, Ivana, was an immigrant from Czechoslovakia
and a divorcee who has been married 4 times in her life. She is a lifelong
avid skier and worked in design at the Trump Organization.
* Marla Maples, Trump's second wife is an actress and model
* Trump's third wife, Melania is an immigrant from Slovenia (born in
Yugoslavia) and has been a super model.
* Two of Trump's children, Donald Jr and Ivanka, have gone to Penn.
Son Eric, went to Georgetown.
* Donald Trump tells us that he is Presbyterian.
* Donald Trump does not appear to have had any interest in occults,
mysticism or exotic mythologies.
* Donald Trump's oldest daughter, Ivanka, and her three children are
Jewish.
* Trump's oldest daughter, Ivanka, is married to Jared Kushner who
is, among other things, a newspaper publisher. The Kushner family is very
successful in New York City area real estate.
* Donald's grandmother, mother, first wife, and third wife are all
immigrants.
* Donald Trump was born and raised in Queens NY
* Though his family was very wealthy, Trump's boyhood home in the
Jamaica Estates section of Queens was not a grand mansion. The Trump home was
a larger version of the homes Fred Trump was building for his tenants.
* There are no indications that the Trump family lived among the
wealthy elites on vacations or country clubs.
* Queens is the largest of New York's five boroughs and the most
ethnically diverse.
* Trump attended a local private day school, the Kew Forrest School,
in Queens until about 8th grade.
* His secondary schooling was at New York Military Academy which is
about 60 miles north of NYC in Cornwall on the Hudson. He was the class of
1964.
* Trump was never a "Preppie".
* Trump never embraced any aspect of the "Hippie" movement of the
time.
* Trump was a very good high school athlete - football, soccer, and
especially baseball. He had potential to become a professional baseball
player.
* Even in high school - Trump liked women and women liked him
* Trump was generally popular in high school.
* Trump's boarding school room mate liked him.
* He attended Fordham University in NYC for two years and
transferred to the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School of Business.
* At that time, the Wharton School offered a rare program for Real
Estate Business.
* Though he was of age, Donald Trump did not serve in Vietnam.
* He was not drafted due to bone spurs in his heels (4F) and also
student deferments.
* Ultimately, in the draft lottery, he drew a high number.
* By all we know, Donald Trump does not smoke, drink or use
recreational drugs. He'll be the first President in more than 25 years who hasn't
smoked weed.
* BTW: Trump's children don't smoke or drink
* Trump makes it well known that he enjoys sexual interaction with
women.
* I am unaware that Donald Trump is a recreational gambler.
* His doctor publicly announced Donald to be in excellent health.
I think that to really know Donald Trump, you must know his family
background.
The Trump family story is a very American story.
Trump family history - concise version.
* Donald Trump's grandparents emigrated to the U.S. from Alsace
(Kallstadt, Germany) which throughout history has been alternately French and
German. The Trumps are German, originally speaking the same German dialect
as the Amish of Lancaster County, PA.
* His maternal grandparents lived in Scotland.
* Freiderich (Drumph) Trump made a small but respectable fortune in
the late 19th Century in the mining boom towns of the American Northwest.
* He returned to Germany to marry his childhood neighbor, Elizabeth
Christ.
* The newly married Trumps resettled in the Borough of Queens NY
* Freidrich was establishing a Real Estate business in Queens when
he died suddenly at age 49 (1918).
* In 1920, at the age of 15, Fred Trump (Freiderich's son and
Donald's father), started a business partnership with his widowed mother called
Elizabeth Trump & Son.
* This business was built upon the real estate holdings that his
father, Frederich, had amassed (worth about $500,000.00 in today's dollars).
This is the original "seed money" of the current Trump Organization.
* Elizabeth & Fred remained close business partners her entire life
(she died in 1966).
* In 1936 Fred Trump (age 31) married Mary Ann MacLeod (age 24) of
Stoneaway Scotland.
* During the depression, Fred Trump built and successfully operated
a supermarket (a new concept at the time) which was sold to King Kullen Co.
and operates this day.
* Fred Trump made a lot of money building housing for the military
during WWII.
* Fred Trump was investigated by the Justice Department for making
"excessive profits" from government contracts.
* All (or nearly all) of the building of Elizabeth Trump & Son's
non-government building was residential property in Queens.
* Fred Trump died in 1999 (age 94) - beloved and worth between $250
million and $300 million. His wife died a year later.
"The Donald's" career
Donald Trump is the greatest career achiever of the "baby boomer"
generation.
Donald Trump has reached the zenith in his careers as book author, TV
entertainer, sports entertainer, Real Estate developer, and currently
politician.
* Donald Trump has authored more than 18 books. At least one of
them, The Art of the Deal was a top seller.
* Donald says that the Holy Bible is his favorite book. The Art of
the Deal is his 2nd favorite book. And The Power of Positive Thinking by
Norman Vincent Peale is his third favorite book.
* He likes golf. Donald Trump has developed more than 11 golf
courses which bear his name.
* Donald Trump has twice been nominated for an Emmy Award
* Donald Trump has a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame.
* Donald Trump has been inducted to the Professional Wrestling Hall
of Fame.
* Donald Trump has appeared in more than a dozen movies such as Home
Alone 2, Zoolander, and Little Rascals
* Donald Trump has been a guest actor in more than 6 TV shows such
as Fresh Prince of Bel Air, Days of Our Lives, Sex and the City, and
others.
* Trump has been the Executive Producer of 7 TV shows.
* Trump has been the guest host of 5 TV shows such as Extra, Larry
King Live, and Saturday Night Live and more.
* Donald Trump has been co-producer of the longest running reality
TV show.
* Donald Trump performed in several WWE wrestling shows.
* Donald performed in Wrestlemania 23 which set attendance records
and revenue records up til that time.
* In his first candidacy for public office, Donald Trump received
the most popular votes for the President of the United States out of a field
of experienced and successful politicians. And in most cases, he achieved
this with less money than any of his opponents.
Keeping in mind that 90% of start-up businesses fail, Trump's record of
enterprise is nothing short of amazing.
Donald Trump has enjoyed success in at least 11 very different
enterprises: Professional football, Ice Skating rinks, Fragrance, Ice, Steaks, Wines,
Model management, Airline, blenders, Men's wear, Bicycle races, world class
beauty contests, and many others. In some of these, such as model
management, his firm has risen to the top of that particular industry.
* There are 31 buildings that bear his name.
* The largest private real estate development in New York is Trump
Riverside. Drive down the Henry Hudson Blvd. - you can't miss them.
* There are at least 12 Trump Towers
* There are at least 6 Trump Plazas.
* There are at least 11 Trump Golf Course developments
* And much, much, more in real estate.
* Trump Entertainment, casinos and resorts was recently sold to Carl
Ichan.
* Donald Trump's personal managing of the Wollman Ice Skating Rink
project in the early 1980's is the quintessential case study for MBA
students in Wharton, Harvard, and other business schools. His performance there
was phenomenal.
* Donald Trump's privately held businesses have employed more than
200,000 people.
* In the casino business in Atlantic City, Trump had to do business
with known mobsters - and he stayed "clean" and alive.
* Aside from his personal investments, Donald Trump has never been a
Wall Street "player".
The Political Trump:
about 1967 - 1987 - Democrat (he was a supporter of Ronald Reagan)
1987 - 1999 - Republican
1999 - 2001 - Reform Party (he supported Ross Perot)
2001 - 2009 - Democrat
2009 - 2011 - Republican
2011 - 2012 - Independent
2012 - Present - Republican
Donald Trump was openly supportive of Mitt Romney's candidacy.
Donald Trump does not seem to hold political party organizations in high
regard.
For the most part, his political involvement has been for practical
reasons.
Donald Trump does not appear to be held to political ideology.
Some of my take aways:
* Trump has an extraordinarily energetic central nervous system much
like Teddy Roosevelt but more targeted to industry and enterprise.
* Trump's presidency will be very energetic, transparent, and
communicative.
* Trump will be a very hard working President.
* His interaction with his older brother (who everybody loved) tells
me that he thinks that everybody is like him - or wants to be - or should
be.
* His relationship with his older brother was a hard lesson in
tolerance for him.
* Trump is the Babe Ruth of career achievements.
* He is dumb like a fox. When you think he just said something
stupid - he didn't. It's just that you were not his target audience.
* Trump knows the people - the folk.
* His son, Donald Jr. is right. Trump is a "Blue Collar
Billionaire".
* More than anything, his TV show, The Apprentice, was his passion.
He wants all Americans to have confidence (like he does) to venture.
* Donald Trump is attracted to and marries smart, high achieving
women.
* The highest levels of a Trump Administration is certain to have
many women - and they will be bright and assertive.
* Donald Trump's children are very important to him. And it shows.

[Awesome Sauce Malone]

I wasn’t on board with “The Donald” in the beginning, however I’ve concluded he’s the best choice. You can't be a 'dumb ****' and accomplish what he has. The following could be mostly ‘right wing’ propaganda, however it's a pretty good read anyway. Running as the "Blue Collar Billionaire" might just get him elected.

(Source – an email from an 'undecided' friend of a friend)

Specifications:
* Donald John Trump, was born June 14, 1946.
* He will be 70 years old on election-day.
* >From the Internet, he is 6'2" or 6'3' and weighs between 195 and
200 lbs.
* He has a full head of blond/brown hair (which is long and
elaborately combed) and blue eyes.
* The Internet tells us he wears a size 12 shoe.
* Donald Trump was born the fourth of five children who were born
over eleven years.
* The oldest, Mary Ann, was born in 1937 and is currently a Federal
Judge.
* His older brother, Fred Jr, died in early adulthood as a result of
complications from alcoholism.
* He has another older sister, Elizabeth and a younger brother,
Robert.
* Donald Trump has been married three times.
* Trump's first wife, Ivana, was an immigrant from Czechoslovakia
and a divorcee who has been married 4 times in her life. She is a lifelong
avid skier and worked in design at the Trump Organization.
* Marla Maples, Trump's second wife is an actress and model
* Trump's third wife, Melania is an immigrant from Slovenia (born in
Yugoslavia) and has been a super model.
* Two of Trump's children, Donald Jr and Ivanka, have gone to Penn.
Son Eric, went to Georgetown.
* Donald Trump tells us that he is Presbyterian.
* Donald Trump does not appear to have had any interest in occults,
mysticism or exotic mythologies.
* Donald Trump's oldest daughter, Ivanka, and her three children are
Jewish.
* Trump's oldest daughter, Ivanka, is married to Jared Kushner who
is, among other things, a newspaper publisher. The Kushner family is very
successful in New York City area real estate.
* Donald's grandmother, mother, first wife, and third wife are all
immigrants.
* Donald Trump was born and raised in Queens NY
* Though his family was very wealthy, Trump's boyhood home in the
Jamaica Estates section of Queens was not a grand mansion. The Trump home was
a larger version of the homes Fred Trump was building for his tenants.
* There are no indications that the Trump family lived among the
wealthy elites on vacations or country clubs.
* Queens is the largest of New York's five boroughs and the most
ethnically diverse.
* Trump attended a local private day school, the Kew Forrest School,
in Queens until about 8th grade.
* His secondary schooling was at New York Military Academy which is
about 60 miles north of NYC in Cornwall on the Hudson. He was the class of
1964.
* Trump was never a "Preppie".
* Trump never embraced any aspect of the "Hippie" movement of the
time.
* Trump was a very good high school athlete - football, soccer, and
especially baseball. He had potential to become a professional baseball
player.
* Even in high school - Trump liked women and women liked him
* Trump was generally popular in high school.
* Trump's boarding school room mate liked him.
* He attended Fordham University in NYC for two years and
transferred to the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School of Business.
* At that time, the Wharton School offered a rare program for Real
Estate Business.
* Though he was of age, Donald Trump did not serve in Vietnam.
* He was not drafted due to bone spurs in his heels (4F) and also
student deferments.
* Ultimately, in the draft lottery, he drew a high number.
* By all we know, Donald Trump does not smoke, drink or use
recreational drugs. He'll be the first President in more than 25 years who hasn't
smoked weed.
* BTW: Trump's children don't smoke or drink
* Trump makes it well known that he enjoys sexual interaction with
women.
* I am unaware that Donald Trump is a recreational gambler.
* His doctor publicly announced Donald to be in excellent health.
I think that to really know Donald Trump, you must know his family
background.
The Trump family story is a very American story.
Trump family history - concise version.
* Donald Trump's grandparents emigrated to the U.S. from Alsace
(Kallstadt, Germany) which throughout history has been alternately French and
German. The Trumps are German, originally speaking the same German dialect
as the Amish of Lancaster County, PA.
* His maternal grandparents lived in Scotland.
* Freiderich (Drumph) Trump made a small but respectable fortune in
the late 19th Century in the mining boom towns of the American Northwest.
* He returned to Germany to marry his childhood neighbor, Elizabeth
Christ.
* The newly married Trumps resettled in the Borough of Queens NY
* Freidrich was establishing a Real Estate business in Queens when
he died suddenly at age 49 (1918).
* In 1920, at the age of 15, Fred Trump (Freiderich's son and
Donald's father), started a business partnership with his widowed mother called
Elizabeth Trump & Son.
* This business was built upon the real estate holdings that his
father, Frederich, had amassed (worth about $500,000.00 in today's dollars).
This is the original "seed money" of the current Trump Organization.
* Elizabeth & Fred remained close business partners her entire life
(she died in 1966).
* In 1936 Fred Trump (age 31) married Mary Ann MacLeod (age 24) of
Stoneaway Scotland.
* During the depression, Fred Trump built and successfully operated
a supermarket (a new concept at the time) which was sold to King Kullen Co.
and operates this day.
* Fred Trump made a lot of money building housing for the military
during WWII.
* Fred Trump was investigated by the Justice Department for making
"excessive profits" from government contracts.
* All (or nearly all) of the building of Elizabeth Trump & Son's
non-government building was residential property in Queens.
* Fred Trump died in 1999 (age 94) - beloved and worth between $250
million and $300 million. His wife died a year later.
"The Donald's" career
Donald Trump is the greatest career achiever of the "baby boomer"
generation.
Donald Trump has reached the zenith in his careers as book author, TV
entertainer, sports entertainer, Real Estate developer, and currently
politician.
* Donald Trump has authored more than 18 books. At least one of
them, The Art of the Deal was a top seller.
* Donald says that the Holy Bible is his favorite book. The Art of
the Deal is his 2nd favorite book. And The Power of Positive Thinking by
Norman Vincent Peale is his third favorite book.
* He likes golf. Donald Trump has developed more than 11 golf
courses which bear his name.
* Donald Trump has twice been nominated for an Emmy Award
* Donald Trump has a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame.
* Donald Trump has been inducted to the Professional Wrestling Hall
of Fame.
* Donald Trump has appeared in more than a dozen movies such as Home
Alone 2, Zoolander, and Little Rascals
* Donald Trump has been a guest actor in more than 6 TV shows such
as Fresh Prince of Bel Air, Days of Our Lives, Sex and the City, and
others.
* Trump has been the Executive Producer of 7 TV shows.
* Trump has been the guest host of 5 TV shows such as Extra, Larry
King Live, and Saturday Night Live and more.
* Donald Trump has been co-producer of the longest running reality
TV show.
* Donald Trump performed in several WWE wrestling shows.
* Donald performed in Wrestlemania 23 which set attendance records
and revenue records up til that time.
* In his first candidacy for public office, Donald Trump received
the most popular votes for the President of the United States out of a field
of experienced and successful politicians. And in most cases, he achieved
this with less money than any of his opponents.
Keeping in mind that 90% of start-up businesses fail, Trump's record of
enterprise is nothing short of amazing.
Donald Trump has enjoyed success in at least 11 very different
enterprises: Professional football, Ice Skating rinks, Fragrance, Ice, Steaks, Wines,
Model management, Airline, blenders, Men's wear, Bicycle races, world class
beauty contests, and many others. In some of these, such as model
management, his firm has risen to the top of that particular industry.
* There are 31 buildings that bear his name.
* The largest private real estate development in New York is Trump
Riverside. Drive down the Henry Hudson Blvd. - you can't miss them.
* There are at least 12 Trump Towers
* There are at least 6 Trump Plazas.
* There are at least 11 Trump Golf Course developments
* And much, much, more in real estate.
* Trump Entertainment, casinos and resorts was recently sold to Carl
Ichan.
* Donald Trump's personal managing of the Wollman Ice Skating Rink
project in the early 1980's is the quintessential case study for MBA
students in Wharton, Harvard, and other business schools. His performance there
was phenomenal.
* Donald Trump's privately held businesses have employed more than
200,000 people.
* In the casino business in Atlantic City, Trump had to do business
with known mobsters - and he stayed "clean" and alive.
* Aside from his personal investments, Donald Trump has never been a
Wall Street "player".
The Political Trump:
about 1967 - 1987 - Democrat (he was a supporter of Ronald Reagan)
1987 - 1999 - Republican
1999 - 2001 - Reform Party (he supported Ross Perot)
2001 - 2009 - Democrat
2009 - 2011 - Republican
2011 - 2012 - Independent
2012 - Present - Republican
Donald Trump was openly supportive of Mitt Romney's candidacy.
Donald Trump does not seem to hold political party organizations in high
regard.
For the most part, his political involvement has been for practical
reasons.
Donald Trump does not appear to be held to political ideology.
Some of my take aways:
* Trump has an extraordinarily energetic central nervous system much
like Teddy Roosevelt but more targeted to industry and enterprise.
* Trump's presidency will be very energetic, transparent, and
communicative.
* Trump will be a very hard working President.
* His interaction with his older brother (who everybody loved) tells
me that he thinks that everybody is like him - or wants to be - or should
be.
* His relationship with his older brother was a hard lesson in
tolerance for him.
* Trump is the Babe Ruth of career achievements.
* He is dumb like a fox. When you think he just said something
stupid - he didn't. It's just that you were not his target audience.
* Trump knows the people - the folk.
* His son, Donald Jr. is right. Trump is a "Blue Collar
Billionaire".
* More than anything, his TV show, The Apprentice, was his passion.
He wants all Americans to have confidence (like he does) to venture.
* Donald Trump is attracted to and marries smart, high achieving
women.
* The highest levels of a Trump Administration is certain to have
many women - and they will be bright and assertive.
* Donald Trump's children are very important to him. And it shows.

[RoyalShock]

I can't vote for a guy who wants to keep out the Mennonites.

[Kung Wu]

I can't vote for a guy who wants to keep out the Mennonites.

Send 'em back to Mennova!

[Kung Wu]

For every new voter Trump brings out, I bet there are 2-3 normal voters thinking of sitting out this year.

Hyperbole, or serious?

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

For every new voter Trump brings out, I bet there are 2-3 normal voters thinking of sitting out this year.

Hyperbole, or serious?

Completely serious. Maybe my ratio is off and it is only 1.5:1, but I really do think the *sit out or switch to voting 3rd party* crowd will be larger than the *didn't bother to vote in 2012, but will vote for Trump* crowd.

[atlwsu]

I would be open to a third party if 1) it was a conservative candidate & 2) they could get enough votes to keep either major party from getting a majority. #2 is the lest likely.

[WstateU]

"Donald Trump will not be President!"

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-take-victory-lap-over-rivals-remarks/ar-BBtytgz?ocid=spartandhp

[Kung Wu]

1) Yes, West Virginia is a stronghold for Trump voters. Even though you once again have incorrect data (anti-Trump in 2016 was 47k, not 41k) I'll admit Trump did well there.

Let's use your Oregon technique on Washington ...

Oregon:

If you extrapolate the 75% reporting in Oregon to 100%, you get the following:

2012 Romney - 204k
2016 Trump - 285k

2012 Anti-Romney - 84k
2016 Anti-Trump - 156k

...

However, even if you want to look at primary turnout and draw conclusions, you have to admit that the anti-Romney vote nearly doubling (84k to 156k) as an anti-Trump vote takes away pretty much any optimism that Trump's 40% increase over Romney's total might initially imply.

Washington (using your figures from another thread):

If you extrapolate the 72% reporting in Washington to 100%, you get the following:

2012 Romney - 19k
2016 Trump - 559k

2012 Anti-Romney - 32k
2016 Anti-Trump - 129k

So the Anti-Trump movement got a big 403% increase. Pretty impressive!

Until you see that Trump got a 2942% increase.

Any bets on what will happen in California?