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Originally posted by Rocky Mountain Shock
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Who should be taking this responsibility on?Livin the dream-
Consumers should be taking it on. Personal responsibility. Government instead plays a huge role, which is whole idea of tariffs--artificially raise the price of foreign products to influence our buying behavior. Or subsidies--which we also do (we subsidize the crap out of domestic agriculture).
It's hypocritical to advocate free market principles and advocate for tariffs. This is why it baffles me that Trump is a conservative but seems to be against free trade. -
Trump is absolutely for free trade. He is only considering tariffs on countries that currently refuse to engage in free trade with the United States. Canada has repeatedly refused to remove the near 300% tariffs placed on dairy products from the U.S. Trump is proposing tariffs as a negotiation tactic to reduce/eliminate tariffs from other countries so we can engage in free trade.
It is extremely hypocritical of countries to complain about the U.S considering tariffs under the guise of free trade, when they refuse to remove existing tariffs.
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I dont mind having a trade imbalance. We are a consuming nation, with a diverse economy and market that can buy what we produce, so exporting isnt a necessity. And being able to import items to keep prices low, to me, is not a bad thing.
These tariffs, Im guessing, is a negotiating ploy to start the conversation on a broader look at tariffs imposed on our stuff.
"When life hands you lemons, make lemonade." Better have some sugar and water too, or else your lemonade will suck!Comment
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To me at least, whatever rhetoric that's being spouted is simply a different tactic than many both in and that follow government are used to hearing.
Tactics being used are designed to get a better deal for the USA. Tactics previously used were designed to make other countries and their often less than free leaders feel warm and fuzzy and that we are being nice to them.
Personally, I prefer the former, even if it sounds mean. Like it or not, we are the leader of the free world and it's about time we acted like it. If somebody's feelings are bruised along the way, I suspect they'll get over it.Comment
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I think you're over simplifying it. I doubt we used previous tactics just so that foreign leaders felt warm fuzzies. Those previous tactics were almost assuredly used for other policy negotiations--use of military bases, leverage against adversarial regimes, etc.
My concern is that Trump's simple-minded approach to foreign policy will shackle our abilities to influence global politics in the future, and it could be several years before we see the tangible effects.
China has the world's second largest economy but nowhere near the global influence we do. That's partly because we have used our economy to block their attempts. If we continue to go all protectionist, I'm concerned China will use its economy to do exactly what the US has done for the past 70 years.
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Is De Niro running in 2020 ?For some the glass is half full and for others half empty. My glass is out of ice.
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Trump is definitely disrupting. He’s not a that get along with elites type of guy. He doesn’t have friends on Wall Street just to take the easy road and get along with the elites and do nothing. One of his core values seems to be to have policies that help the working guy and small businesses.
It was mentioned above that our government subsidizes farming. I know that crop insurance is a policy of the government. Is government subsidized insurance the same as Canada having a 270 percent subsidy on dairy? I would venture that Canada has government insurance in their at policies too. I’m not familiar enough with agriculture to know so I’ll raise the question.Comment
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He's definitely not a "politician" if that's what you mean. He doesn't play the partisan game very well. We've all witnessed that DC statecraft has never come close to getting N. Korea to the bargaining table, which he did. Or his hire for the US Secretary of State did. Another note to the liberals (and conservatives); It's why he won.
He really will try to help middle America, or, at least it appears that way. Of course, the out of touch progressives, you know, the mind readers, and many conservatives, will call it something else (islamph..., etc. etc.).
By the way, has anyone heard from ISIS, or "ISIL," in the last 7 months?Last edited by ShockingButTrue; June 12, 2018, 08:03 AM.
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I wish Trump the best in getting a deal, but we've been here before with better conditions. Thankfully our Chinese and Russian partners are putting their thumbs on the scale.
1992 signed agreement
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2003-2008
Wiki for the Six-party talks
2008
Bush removes DPRK from Terror list and they blow up cooling towers.
2012
DPRK agrees to suspend program in exchange for food aid. Launches test missile a few months later.
2018
Text of Trump-Kim agreement
Here is an infographic timeline from the Council on Foreign relations. As a warning, following the link alerts the Tri-Lateral Commission and he Bilderburg Group.
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Kung Wu say, man who read woman like book, prefer braille!Comment
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I'm not sure you were trying to be positive, but Yes there were better conditions in the past. N. Korea didn't have a nuclear weapon during that entire time and they didn't have a weapon that could reach to the East coast of the United States until just recently. KIm Jong Un is a 32 year old man who has a long time to maintain his power in North Korea. With the tensions of having nuclear weapons in South Korea, and other parts of the peninsula and the tensions of maintaining his power for many years to come without a possibility of a mistake or bad judgements by either side is not a good cloud to live under and yes, China doesn't enjoy living like that either.Originally posted by Anthroshock View Post
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He's definitely crazy, but he's got a little fox in him...
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And here's the best the scrambling Libtards have to offer in the face of what could be the biggest development in Geopolitics since the Berlin Wall...
What these frightened little puppeteers don't understand (or do) is that Trump can (will) turn on a dime and hit 3x as hard as he did prior to the summit if the Little Rocket Man renegs on a single promise.
P.S. I hope LRM does backtrack; I can't wait for Trump to start the invasion rhetoric and watch the Snowflakes heads explode.
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Did anyone catch George Stephanopolous say "President Chump...Trump" last night on ABC?
Not an idiot whackjob like Chris Matthews or Rachel Maddow on a station nobody that isn't a whackjob watches.....ABFREAKINGC. This Week's host.
Can you even FATHOM the uproar if say Brit Hume had said "President Obummer...Obama" on a world wide scene like last night? Hume would have been fired before midnight, Fox's broadcasting rights suspended and every single advertiser would have pulled their sponsorship. These are the days we live in...….special rules and rights for some people, and not for others, in an attempt to right past wrongs, taken to an extreme absurdity.Comment
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I would have preferred to see a Delta team swoop in and decapitate that little ****er after Trump tapped his shoulder.
I get that we are, hopefully, playing a long game strategy here, to free the NK people, but I dont like seeing our president act nice with that measly little pol pot.... I dunno just dont like it."When life hands you lemons, make lemonade." Better have some sugar and water too, or else your lemonade will suck!Comment
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And a Fox News reader talked about the "two dictators" meeting. She should probably be fired.Originally posted by WuDrWu View Post
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Originally posted by Anthroshock View PostI wish Trump the best in getting a deal, but we've been here before with better conditions. Thankfully our Chinese and Russian partners are putting their thumbs on the scale.
1992 signed agreement
https://peacemaker.un.org/sites/peac...changespdf.pdf
1994
https://web.archive.org/web/20031217...infcirc457.pdf
2003-2008
Wiki for the Six-party talks
2008
Bush removes DPRK from Terror list and they blow up cooling towers.
https://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/28/w...a/28korea.html
2012
DPRK agrees to suspend program in exchange for food aid. Launches test missile a few months later.
2018
Text of Trump-Kim agreement
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/north-k...ay-2018-06-12/
Here is an infographic timeline from the Council on Foreign relations. As a warning, following the link alerts the Tri-Lateral Commission and he Bilderburg Group.
https://www.cfr.org/timeline/north-k...r-negotiations
You're research effort was short sighted. Or, to put it in current political jargon a "false equivalent." Unless we're forgetting, what top level administrator from the US sat at a summit table with Kim Senior?Comment
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