Trump

[rrshock]

President Trump didn’t bring division. Division brought Trump.

I completely agree. But none of us will ever hear that from the media because it sure seems to be true.

[Play Angry]

Division brought Trump for sure, and he is continuing the trend of widening the divide. The second part is important to note as well.

Things seem likely to get worse before they get better.

[Play Angry]

The bizarre back and forth between the President and Bob Corker would feel surreal if we hadn't seen this already play out a half-dozen times by now.

[SB Shock]

The bizarre back and forth between the President and Bob Corker would feel surreal if we hadn't seen this already play out a half-dozen times by now.

Groundhog Day! And it always turns out bad for the republican who decides to roll in the mud with Trump.

[ShockingButTrue]

The ballot box has spoken... It wasn't the Russkies.

[Play Angry]

Groundhog Day! And it always turns out bad for the republican who decides to roll in the mud with Trump.

It's like engaging the drunk guy at a bar who wants to fight everyone.

though I actually thought corker got the better of this one - the adult day care tweet was funny and the President seems unable to up his game beyond basement-level low brow. needs to hire a staffer with some wittiness.

[shockfan89_]

It's like engaging the drunk guy at a bar who wants to fight everyone.

though I actually thought corker got the better of this one - the adult day care tweet was funny and the President seems unable to up his game beyond basement-level low brow. needs to hire a staffer with some wittiness.

I think you are right that his tweet was funnier, but in the end Corker was the big loser. Trump is right that Corker wanted to be Secretary of State, Trump is right that Corker can't win re-election without Trump's support. I think it is funny that Trump even challenged Corker to run again if he thought he could win. Trump assured Corker he would be primaried if he did.

SB Shock is right, everyone that takes on Trump seems to eventually come out the loser. Just ask Roger Goodell and the NFL. Roger has done a 180 on this after initially opposing Trump. The NFL players thought they could show Trump they could do whatever they wanted, but they will all be standing soon, just like Trump wanted...

[Play Angry]

I think you are right that his tweet was funnier, but in the end Corker was the big loser. Trump is right that Corker wanted to be Secretary of State, Trump is right that Corker can't win re-election without Trump's support. I think it is funny that Trump even challenged Corker to run again if he thought he could win. Trump assured Corker he would be primaried if he did.

SB Shock is right, everyone that takes on Trump seems to eventually come out the loser. Just ask Roger Goodell and the NFL. Roger has done a 180 on this after initially opposing Trump. The NFL players thought they could show Trump they could do whatever they wanted, but they will all be standing soon, just like Trump wanted...

Everyone knows Trump is a serial liar even by politician standards so nobody takes his statements seriously w/r/t the legions who supposedly beg for his support which he refused to grant. He likes working with Schumer more than conservatives so far.

[shockfan89_]

Everyone knows Trump is a serial liar even by politician standards so nobody takes his statements seriously w/r/t the legions who supposedly beg for his support which he refused to grant. He likes working with Schumer more than conservatives so far.

Fact remains Corker will come out the loser as will the NFL and the players that kneeled. Schumer will soon be in the same position as the NFL. Trump, lie as he may, now has Schumer cornered. Schumer can choose to fully fund the wall and give Trump more tools/money to battle illegal immigration (including abolishing sanctuary cities) or Schumer can turn his back on the DACA folks he, and the public feel deserve leniency. Remember, it is up to Congress to act on DACA so now Schumer and Republicans will have to work together. This appears like another win for Trump.

[ShockingButTrue]

Fact remains Corker will come out the loser as will the NFL and the players that kneeled. Schumer will soon be in the same position as the NFL. Trump, lie as he may, now has Schumer cornered. Schumer can choose to fully fund the wall and give Trump more tools/money to battle illegal immigration (including abolishing sanctuary cities) or Schumer can turn his back on the DACA folks he, and the public feel deserve leniency. Remember, it is up to Congress to act on DACA so now Schumer and Republicans will have to work together. This appears like another win for Trump.

What then? Oops, wrong thread...

[Play Angry]

Fact remains Corker will come out the loser as will the NFL and the players that kneeled. Schumer will soon be in the same position as the NFL.

Seems odd to attribute the turnabout from the NFL w/r/t kneeling to the President's tweets rather than $$$$. Owners and players showed they will do what they want and perceive to be within their self-interest when they made their various gestures the weekend the whole thing blew up. The fact that they now see ratings and merchandise hitting them where it hurts is the genesis of the change of heart in the C-suites.

I guess someone could try to give credence to the arm twisting on tax breaks, but that's kind of a weird proposition isn't it - tax incentives which are obviously dubious are only bad if owners don't crack the whip on their players, but if they do so, then nothing to see here? Again, it's all about the $$$$ there too.

Causation doesn't really work as you assert IMO.

Fact remains Corker will come out the loser.

He had already announced he wouldn't be seeking re-election. The weird after-the-fact sniping of "see, this just proves he's a LOSER and SHORT hahaha JUST TRY TO RUN AGAIN I DARE YOU and if you don't you are a COWARD" does not really nab the epic win you seem to think it does. It's entertaining in the same way most base humor is though.

Trump, lie as he may, now has Schumer cornered. Schumer can choose to fully fund the wall and give Trump more tools/money to battle illegal immigration (including abolishing sanctuary cities) or Schumer can turn his back on the DACA folks he, and the public feel deserve leniency. Remember, it is up to Congress to act on DACA so now Schumer and Republicans will have to work together. This appears like another win for Trump.

Trump's deals with Schumer and Pelosi on the budget and the wall are two-way streets - they get amnesty for a million folks, he gets to build out the GWB/Obama wall further at significant cost to the U.S. (not Mexico).

Happy to bet some SASO scrilla as to whether the ban on all federal aid to any city that limits its cooperation with the fed gov to enforce immigration laws is implemented in the eventual legislation. As with most promises from this administration and most others, it is posturing for his base and will be swept by the wayside.

[CBB_Fan]

Fact remains Corker will come out the loser as will the NFL and the players that kneeled. Schumer will soon be in the same position as the NFL. Trump, lie as he may, now has Schumer cornered. Schumer can choose to fully fund the wall and give Trump more tools/money to battle illegal immigration (including abolishing sanctuary cities) or Schumer can turn his back on the DACA folks he, and the public feel deserve leniency. Remember, it is up to Congress to act on DACA so now Schumer and Republicans will have to work together. This appears like another win for Trump.

That sounds more like fan fiction than anything based in reality. Corker won his last election 64.9% to 30.4% and won the primary 85.1% to 6.2%. And the election of Roy Moore over Trump endorsed Luther Strange (lets not pretend Alabama has a general election) has shown that Trump's support isn't some sort magical switch. Corker would be a heavy favorite for reelection.

As far as the NFL, it is true the ratings are down. It is not true that they are down because of a boycott or the kneeling issue. Ratings were lowest week 1 and have improved each successive week through the kneeling controversy. And they've been dropping since long before this season; 2016 saw significantly higher drop-offs than 2017 has. Ratings are down because less people are watching TV, and not just football. Less people are watching baseball, comedy shows, Dancing With the Stars, etc.

As far as Schumer goes, I think that was last week's news. We are about 3 controversies removed from the public caring about the Schumer-Trump talks. In this presidential reality show, rehashing old stories just bores the audience rather than evoking a strong reaction.

[Aargh]

@Play Angry:, you are citing reports that did not come from Fox News. You are using those sources to counter something reported on Fox News. You are involved in this conversation with someone who gets all the news they ever need from Fox News. That person is probably of the opinion that all non-Fox reports are fake news.

You cannot even be considered part of the discussion with the person you are replying to.

[shockfan89_]

That sounds more like fan fiction than anything based in reality. Corker won his last election 64.9% to 30.4% and won the primary 85.1% to 6.2%. And the election of Roy Moore over Trump endorsed Luther Strange (lets not pretend Alabama has a general election) has shown that Trump's support isn't some sort magical switch. Corker would be a heavy favorite for reelection.

As far as the NFL, it is true the ratings are down. It is not true that they are down because of a boycott or the kneeling issue. Ratings were lowest week 1 and have improved each successive week through the kneeling controversy. And they've been dropping since long before this season; 2016 saw significantly higher drop-offs than 2017 has. Ratings are down because less people are watching TV, and not just football. Less people are watching baseball, comedy shows, Dancing With the Stars, etc.

As far as Schumer goes, I think that was last week's news. We are about 3 controversies removed from the public caring about the Schumer-Trump talks. In this presidential reality show, rehashing old stories just bores the audience rather than evoking a strong reaction.

Corker is establishment just like Luther Strange was endorsed by the GOP establishment (and Trump). I didn't mean to imply Corker would lose because of Trump's lack of support, I think Corker would lose because the Republican establishment has also been exposed (largely by Trump). I think the Alabama results indicate many establishment Republicans will have issues in upcoming primaries regardless of whether Trump is supporting the establishment candidate or not.

If what you say about the NFL is true, why is the trend towards making the players stand? The NFL is losing viewers and it is likely they know how much of that is due to changes in technology and how much of that is due to boycotts and the kneeling issue. The NFL is choosing to take action regarding the kneeling issue. Maybe that's because they can't do much about technology or maybe it is because the kneeling issue had a bigger impact than they anticipated it would?

[shockfan89_]

Seems odd to attribute the turnabout from the NFL w/r/t kneeling to the President's tweets rather than $$$$. Owners and players showed they will do what they want and perceive to be within their self-interest when they made their various gestures the weekend the whole thing blew up. The fact that they now see ratings and merchandise hitting them where it hurts is the genesis of the change of heart in the C-suites.

Causation doesn't really work as you assert IMO.

The NFL ramped up their protests after Trump got involved. The ramped up kneeling is what has caused the backlash and caused the NFL to change direction. If the NFL and players had ignored Trump's initial outburst it likely would continued the way things were in week one and week two. The NFL and players stepping up their protests is what led to ratings going down and boycotts. I think the turnabout is directly tied to the feud with Trump and the extra attention brought to the issue.