Ben Carson

[tropicalshox]

http://m.livescience.com/46123-many-americans-creationists.html

Well, I stand corrected. According to this, 40 percent of Americans believe that. I guess that makes Ben almost liberal on that topic.

[tropicalshox]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/02/25/most-democrats-dont-know-it-takes-a-year-for-the-earth-to-go-around-the-sun/

This is a interesting article that breaks down results. The results on the question about the earth going around the sun in one year leads me to one conclusion. We got to get working on improving physical science education LOL.

[MoValley John]

This guy believes the earth is 6,000 years old, right?

This is the stupid crap that makes me, and most Americans, hate politics.

[SHOCKvalue]

http://m.livescience.com/46123-many-...ationists.html

Well, I stand corrected. According to this, 40 percent of Americans believe that. I guess that makes Ben almost liberal on that topic.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...round-the-sun/

This is a interesting article that breaks down results. The results on the question about the earth going around the sun in one year leads me to one conclusion. We got to get working on improving physical science education LOL.

Here, let me condense this down for efficiency next time you happen to enter into a discussion on or with someone with views or beliefs that vary from your own:

I disagree with the view and/or beliefs of _______. Since we are all grown, intellectually mature adults I will respect their stance while still retaining my own.

See... it is a lot easier, friendlier, and less marginalizing than your passive aggressive approach.

[Kung Wu]

http://m.livescience.com/46123-many-...ationists.html

Well, I stand corrected. According to this, 40 percent of Americans believe that. I guess that makes Ben almost liberal on that topic.

This is the EXACT set of questions that were asked:

1) Human beings have developed over millions of years from less advanced forms of life, but God guided this process,
2) Human beings have developed over millions of years from less advanced forms of life, but God had no part in this process,
3) God created human beings pretty much in their present form at one time within the last 10,000 years or so

So if you are a Christian, you have no choice but to select 3, even if you don't agree with the time frame portion of it. They conveniently left off:

4) God created human beings pretty much in their present form at one time, over an unknown time frame

Seems like that should have been an obvious 4th option, doesn't it?

[SHOCKvalue]

This is the EXACT set of questions that were asked:

1) Human beings have developed over millions of years from less advanced forms of life, but God guided this process,
2) Human beings have developed over millions of years from less advanced forms of life, but God had no part in this process,
3) God created human beings pretty much in their present form at one time within the last 10,000 years or so

So if you are a Christian, you have no choice but to select 3, even if you don't agree with the time frame portion of it. They conveniently left off:

4) God created human beings pretty much in their present form at one time, over an unknown time frame

Seems like that should have been an obvious 4th option, doesn't it?

Yeah, but you can't entrap and marginalize with option number four, KW, so what good is that?

[tropicalshox]

I'm glad you pointed that out. Thanks.

[wufan]

I don't know Trop. I've never met him and I don't know his political views. @tropicalshox: has ALWAYS been an excellent poster and a genuinely nice person on this forum. I imagine some folk's skin is too thin to be discussing politics on an Internet forum.

[MoValley John]

I don't know Trop. I've never met him and I don't know his political views. @tropicalshox: has ALWAYS been an excellent poster and a genuinely nice person on this forum. I imagine some folk's skin is too thin to be discussing politics on an Internet forum.

The problem is not that people are thin skinned, but that from what I've seen, Ben Carson is a decent, level headed republican candidate. All we have heard is that all the republicans are nutjobs. Carson doesn't appear as such, but simply because he claims to be Christian, and espouses Christian morality, we get the 6,000 year comment. Carson never said as much, but here we go again, characterize him as a nutjob and throw out the new earth comments enough and people think we have another nutjob. Besides, what does anyone having a religious belief about the age of the earth have anythingvto do eith their ability to lead? That type of comment, besides being incorrect and a mischaracterazation, is simply made to make people disregard him before they even can form a legitimate opinion.

[shockmonster]

My question would be that if Carson is wrong and God didn't create life, where did it begin? Was it when a large planetary mass like the earth collided with the earth resulting in a cataclysmic explosion billions of years ago? This of course, began heat/matter/amoeba forms of life which ultimately evolved into human life as we now know it. What are the chances of that all happening?

This is true faith.

Note: I am not a Scientist so please feel free to correct me

[MoValley John]

My question would be that if Carson is wrong and God didn't create life, where did it begin? Was it when a large planetary mass like the earth collided with the earth resulting in a cataclysmic explosion billions of years ago? This of course, began heat/matter/amoeba forms of life which ultimately evolved into human life as we now know it. What are the chances of that all happening?

This is true faith.

Note: I am not a Scientist so please feel free to correct me

You bring up some really deep, deep questions. Very philosophical. I don't think this can be fully addressed without the right frame of mind. This discussion needs to be set aside until I can get my hands on a few ounces of pot and a handful of psychedelic mushrooms.

[tropicalshox]

I agree with much of what MoValleyJohn says. A friend showed me an article about a college protest of Carsen being on a campus due to his belief in a new earth as a Seventh Day Adventist. That's were I obtained the apparent false knowlege. It isn't about being a Christian however, it's that Adventist are one of the few denomations who have this as one of their main beliefs. As I previously said, I thought few people, including Christians belive that, so yes, he seemed pretty far out to me. And yes, I think there has been some pretty far out statements being made by some in the race so that does contribute.

My concern would be with scientific funding, so I'm not 100 percent in agreement with it not having anything to do with being President.

[Triticum]

...a college protest of Carsen being on a campus due to his belief in a new earth as a Seventh Day Adventist. That's were I obtained the apparent false knowlege. It isn't about being a Christian however, it's that Adventist are one of the few denomations who have this as one of their main beliefs.
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My concern would be with scientific funding, so I'm not 100 percent in agreement with it not having anything to do with being President.

As it turns out, the Adventists are not in complete agreement on this topic. I only know this because I am a biologist working for an Adventist who has a solid understanding of evolution and no problems with evolution. However, all the Adventist churches in our small city are of the young earth variety, so he goes to church in a bigger city nearby. I couldn't tell you which camp Carsen lands in, but it seems to me a valid question to ask if he's a young earth creationist. Here's an old link to a discussion of the matter:

http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2009/11/seventh-day-adv.html

As to the relevance of this issue to politics, I wholeheartedly share your concern for scientific funding. Not only that, I want adaptable leaders that are willing to change their positions as more information becomes available - a useful skill for many scenarios, not just philosophical or theological arguments.

[Kung Wu]

Taken as a whole, the medical field requires more science for advancement than any other field that I can think of. I don't think a brain surgeon is going to short-change the science community. In fact, I suspect just the opposite would happen.

[RoyalShock]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but funds allocation is the responsibility of Congress. I doubt a president would veto a spending bill just because he didn't agree with where a small percentage of the funds were going.