Shockernet Has Become Politically Polarized

[MikeKennedyRulZ]

“Basket of Deplorables”

If your black and you ain’t votin for Joe Biden, then well then you ain’t black”

There are probably anywhere from 10 to 15% of the people out there, they're just not very good people - Sleepy Creepy Joe

[ShockingButTrue]

There are probably anywhere from 10 to 15% of the people out there, they're just not very good people - Sleepy Creepy Joe

I was wondering if anyone was going to post this. Just like that sow and her "deplorable" declaration in'16. Glad you did.

Case closed Snowflakes.

[WstateU]

[BOBB]

There are probably anywhere from 10 to 15% of the people out there, they're just not very good people - Sleepy Creepy Joe

I'd say he was generous. Probably closer to 25% shitheel.

[Rocky Mountain Shock]

It was actually 2010 when we started seeing this. You can search work usage changes in media and there is a hockey stick of intersectionalism. Trump was just the response.

I agree with the direction you're going with this, but I'm going to go back further. I think we *started* seeing some of the problems we're seeing now as early as the 1990s. To me, that is when the division really started to form. It solidified during Bush II, got worse during Obama, and now it's ransacking the nation.

The OP used the phrase "magically an issue" to describe these problems, but unless you were living in a cave somewhere, they were CLEARLY issues prior to 2016. And I think that's the point many are trying to make--these have been issues for a generation and people are sick of it.

[Rocky Mountain Shock]

conservatives being invited to speak somewhere is not permitted

While I think you're taking the beginning of your post a little too far, I want to specifically point out this part.

John Kasich has been invited to speak at the Democratic National Convention this year.

Let's pump the brakes on this idea that conservatives/Republicans/rightists can't speak anywhere.

In fact, let's pump the brakes on this whole idea that everyone on the left is bad and wants to suppress everyone on the right. Also, while the feeling is not rampant on Shockernet because the conservative roots run deep here, we also need to suppress the idea that everyone on the right wants to suppress everyone on the left. That feeling is JUST AS false. The hyperbolic speech you mention is just as bad on the right as it is on the left, and I hope that was your point.

The rest of your post I agree with 100%, and thank you for adding it to the discussion. I am convinced all of us here would bend over backwards to help each other regardless of our opinions and political leanings. I think most of the country is the same, and that gives me some hope for our future.

[OregonShocker]

Don't like political posts much because it is often just people yelling at other people in support of their team/in anger at the other team. But I had an interesting conversation with some of my children who support certain "socialist" labeled politicians. I simply asked, "Why?" The answer I got can help shape the thinking of those who don't want to see socialism take over. Basically, they stated that the American way of life has left them; no jobs with livable incomes, let alone allowing one parent to stay home and raise kids without sacrificing what we all probably took for granted: nice home, workable car, retirement plans, etc. Somewhere along the way health care became a dream; jobs don't give it, average worker can't afford it, hospital bills cause significant financial burdens, etc. They blame the soulless corporations for this and demand that "someone" take it back. Finally, education has become (even more) a joke; college expenses are astronomical, better jobs with a college degree don't exist outside a few professions, college debt drowns many other financial hopes and dreams, etc. Put it all together: the young folks don't want socialism per se, but they DO want the same opportunities we (well, most of us) had to succeed. They don't believe they will get it (back) without enormous pressure on Wall Street and/or government policies. It isn't "work harder" or "you're spoiled"; that doesn't define my kids. BUT, I see their financial struggles, their fears, their inability to find affordable housing, and I can understand their perspective. So, if I/we/others want to avoid socialism, we better figure out how to help our kids reach the American Dream; or at least feel they have an opportunity for it without counting on winning the lottery (or inheriting my money when I'm gone.)

Ok; I'm going back to the sidelines.

[ShockingButTrue]

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[ShockingButTrue]

While I think you're taking the beginning of your post a little too far, I want to specifically point out this part.

John Kasich has been invited to speak at the Democratic National Convention this year.

Let's pump the brakes on this idea that conservatives/Republicans/rightists can't speak anywhere.

In fact, let's pump the brakes on this whole idea that everyone on the left is bad and wants to suppress everyone on the right. Also, while the feeling is not rampant on Shockernet because the conservative roots run deep here, we also need to suppress the idea that everyone on the right wants to suppress everyone on the left. That feeling is JUST AS false. The hyperbolic speech you mention is just as bad on the right as it is on the left, and I hope that was your point.

The rest of your post I agree with 100%, and thank you for adding it to the discussion. I am convinced all of us here would bend over backwards to help each other regardless of our opinions and political leanings. I think most of the country is the same, and that gives me some hope for our future.

^ ^ ^...

Your honest (I believe) take on a plurality of hearts and minds is "probably" true, but getting thinner each and every day. You know, I haven't seen any "conservative" on this forum refer to a different opinion as a conspiracy theory, or, lacking of critical thinking. Have you seen the reverse on this board, because I have, several times?

When Trump won it represented a rejection of the establishment and not a rejection of black people, jews, transvestites or legal immigrants. But, this week we shall have to endure an endless dissonance of just this very thing. Certainly hatred and intolerance didn't begin with Trump, but boy, but has it been intensified since he became the President, if not 5 years prior. No?

What has been established since '15 or '16 is an ideology that does ok hatred, denial and outright thievery. One that says it's alright to call a 1/4 of the population who was tired of the establishment, sh**heels. It is embedded in all levels of government and cascades down to the common man and woman working right next to each other: That ideology, possibly a political party unto itself, one could rightly say, is #RESIST.

[WuDrWu]

Other than the tiny fringe far right, which have little power and less ability to shout anything from the mountain top or otherwise, is there anyone leaning conservative that wants to suppress much of anything?

Maybe I'm just too self centered.....I know I'm at least capable of admitting to that. I'm trying to keep my eyes, ears and mind open to various points of consideration but I just don't see much of that.

Anyway, to another point.

Did I hear correctly, and Speaker Pelosi is recalling Congress to address the USPS?

If that's correct, I wish the entire country would throw out every single person in Washington and start over. This is a ridiculous discussion. And it's not even close to be a truthful discussion.


And if that clown show recalls Congress to talk about that, in the midst of everything else that's going on that they CAN address, God help us all.


I cannot believe this is even a thing. You have people saying that they cannot safely vote. That's a lie. A TOTAL lie. And even if all 340 million ish citizens voted by mail in one day (completely impossible for a variety of reasons) the USPS handles about 410 million pieces of mail everyday. They can't handle one double busy day? Even my bizarre and impossible scenario defies logic, because the majority of the problem would be in getting the mail out to the voter, not bringing back to centralized locations. If it was going to overwhelm the system, it would more likely be when they are sending the ballots out, as they've tried to do in several states already.

And anyone that thinks that sending ballots out to all registered voters isn't inviting fraud and voter disenfranchisement etc is beyond political in their beliefs. I don't need MIT to tell me that ballots will be returned from dead people, people will vote more than once and the occasional dog, to say nothing of parents voting for their children (and vice versa) etc etc. It's not a bad a idea, it's a colossally moronic one.

[MoValley John]

Don't like political posts much because it is often just people yelling at other people in support of their team/in anger at the other team. But I had an interesting conversation with some of my children who support certain "socialist" labeled politicians. I simply asked, "Why?" The answer I got can help shape the thinking of those who don't want to see socialism take over. Basically, they stated that the American way of life has left them; no jobs with livable incomes, let alone allowing one parent to stay home and raise kids without sacrificing what we all probably took for granted: nice home, workable car, retirement plans, etc. Somewhere along the way health care became a dream; jobs don't give it, average worker can't afford it, hospital bills cause significant financial burdens, etc. They blame the soulless corporations for this and demand that "someone" take it back. Finally, education has become (even more) a joke; college expenses are astronomical, better jobs with a college degree don't exist outside a few professions, college debt drowns many other financial hopes and dreams, etc. Put it all together: the young folks don't want socialism per se, but they DO want the same opportunities we (well, most of us) had to succeed. They don't believe they will get it (back) without enormous pressure on Wall Street and/or government policies. It isn't "work harder" or "you're spoiled"; that doesn't define my kids. BUT, I see their financial struggles, their fears, their inability to find affordable housing, and I can understand their perspective. So, if I/we/others want to avoid socialism, we better figure out how to help our kids reach the American Dream; or at least feel they have an opportunity for it without counting on winning the lottery (or inheriting my money when I'm gone.)

Ok; I'm going back to the sidelines.

But the dream is achievable. I have two boys proving it right now. One went into the trades and is a fourth year apprentice. He turns out in a year. He makes an above average salary already, health insurance, money in the bank and a nice car. My other son is attending school to be a physicians assistant. He currently works full time at a hospital (three twelve hour shifts) and is also a full time student. He has health benefits and because he is studying and working full time in the medical field, is receiving full tuition reimbursement. He will graduate college with money, health insurance, a job and no debt.

I made neither of these choices for my sons. What I see with the youth of today is pretty simple, they want what they want without having to work. Yes, tuition is out of hand. But much (all) of the out of control education costs come from within the college institution. Reform how colleges operate, yes. There is so much more, but my kids friends that are going all out socialist, and there are many, really don't want to work for what they have. A couple of my kids friends think it is "oppressive" for him to have to work while he should be a student and nothing more.

I'm actually really proud of my two kids, they found paths to success that are attainable and have worked the plan. The idea that it can't happen in today's environment is a fallacy.

[MikeKennedyRulZ]

I'd say he was generous. Probably closer to 25% shitheel.

Not surprised in the least you would say that. After all you are a part of the all accepting, all loving, non judging Liberal class...

[wufan]

Don't like political posts much because it is often just people yelling at other people in support of their team/in anger at the other team. But I had an interesting conversation with some of my children who support certain "socialist" labeled politicians. I simply asked, "Why?" The answer I got can help shape the thinking of those who don't want to see socialism take over. Basically, they stated that the American way of life has left them; no jobs with livable incomes, let alone allowing one parent to stay home and raise kids without sacrificing what we all probably took for granted: nice home, workable car, retirement plans, etc. Somewhere along the way health care became a dream; jobs don't give it, average worker can't afford it, hospital bills cause significant financial burdens, etc. They blame the soulless corporations for this and demand that "someone" take it back. Finally, education has become (even more) a joke; college expenses are astronomical, better jobs with a college degree don't exist outside a few professions, college debt drowns many other financial hopes and dreams, etc. Put it all together: the young folks don't want socialism per se, but they DO want the same opportunities we (well, most of us) had to succeed. They don't believe they will get it (back) without enormous pressure on Wall Street and/or government policies. It isn't "work harder" or "you're spoiled"; that doesn't define my kids. BUT, I see their financial struggles, their fears, their inability to find affordable housing, and I can understand their perspective. So, if I/we/others want to avoid socialism, we better figure out how to help our kids reach the American Dream; or at least feel they have an opportunity for it without counting on winning the lottery (or inheriting my money when I'm gone.)

Ok; I'm going back to the sidelines.

There are lots of issues. We should put policies in place that lend to upward mobility. One thing that needs to be recognized is that the successful life we all strive for is NOT the norm. It is something special that has been created. It has been created through hard work and opportunity. Both are necessary. What’s amazing is that we don’t starve to death when we don’t work hard. That is an aberration created by capitalism and demonstratively not the case in socialism.

What would you have paid to have all of life’s literature, television, media, and collective knowledge in 1980? It would literally be worth more than all of us will ever make in our lives on this forum. Now we can have it for less than $1000/yr. two generations ago, having a bedroom where the daughters could be separated from the sons was a luxury. Three generations ago, microwaves didn’t exist. Houses had one phone, one television, and one car. Four generations ago, women couldn’t hold jobs. Five generations ago, there was no birth control and men had to feed a woman and 7 children on one income.

Capitalism has created equality. We need not let that slide a way because a middle class kid can’t afford to live in downtown Portland on their parents income.

[BOBB]

Not surprised in the least you would say that. After all you are a part of the all accepting, all loving, non judging Liberal class...

Make that 26%.

[wufan]

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/rich-noyes/2020/08/17/study-150-times-more-negative-news-trump-biden

I would point to this article as evidence that Trump doesn’t get a fair shake, but we all know that media is lying to us.