Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

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Occasional cortex is popular because she thinks exactly like a Millennial and Millennials have the loudest voices (all hat no cattle). Our only hope is that they continue to be too lazy to vote and the older generations take care of their health and don't die. The older a Millennial gets the better chance they stumble upon reality.


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[ShockerPrez]

Socialism and anyone advocating for it, are either intellectually lazy or tyrannical oppressors.

If you believe it allows for equality and innovation, you are stupid. If you know it doesn't and still advocate for it, then you foresee yourself as being in control, or juiced into the top.

The more socialistic societies of Western Europe are able to function because they are smaller and ethnically and culturally homogenous (generally speaking). They have the United States to protect, innovate, and trade with.

It's fools gold to try and apply their version to the United States. It will end in failure economically at best and civil war and maybe even revolution at worst.

[Kung Wu]

Shhhhhh! I am working on a plan for my kid to become super rich and in power, and I need socialism to really get my plan to take off -- don't ruin it for me!

[WuDrWu]

So clear and concise. Just perfect ShockerPrez

[ShockingButTrue]

Socialism and anyone advocating for it, are either intellectually lazy or tyrannical oppressors.

Their "moral authority" gives them the right to be tyrannical oppressors... Er, something like that.

Perhaps our local Jungian scholar can come over here and explain it for us. Maybe it's FOX News? Could it be their hatred of the President?

[wufan]

Socialists/communists don’t care about the poor, they just hate the rich.

[ShockingButTrue]

haters fits

[abdullah_sharif]

they could be wealthy if theyd get off their ass amd work.

[jdshock]

Some real top shelf analysis going on in here right now. Here, let me try to join in:

Can you believe all these brainwashed, right-wing children that will come into power without having any understanding of what damage capitalism has done to millions and millions of people all over the globe throughout recent history?

or what about....

Capitalism and anyone advocating for it are either intellectually lazy or tyrannical oppressors.

or maybe...

Capitalists don't care about the rich, they just hate the poor.

Whoa... that does feel good to just spout unsupported nonsense, completely devoid of even an ounce of nuance. Let's continue to pretend like the only two economic models are pure, unfettered capitalism and then some weird post-apocalyptic, tyrannical communism. Note: I did try re-working Doc's assertion that "socialist lefties" have goals of (1) killing all the babies they can and (2) making sure that everyone has weed. Unfortunately, I found it too hard to parody.

[WuDrWu]

When your side, not just politically but legislatively, gets up and cheers the protection of late term abortion, you deserve all the hyperbole that comes your way.

[ShockerPrez]

When I say intellectually lazy, I mean the easiest solution to a problem for a socialist is "government takes over". "Government makes it fair". That is a lazy answer, and is basically what every socialist advocates.

And socialists say what you did about capitalism all the time.

It's a idealogical statement.

America's solutions will not be found in Washington. That's all.

[ShockerPrez]

This is the culmination of nearly 100 years of politicians 1-upping last years promises that the government will provide.

[Shock Top]

Some real top shelf analysis going on in here right now. Here, let me try to join in:

Can you believe all these brainwashed, right-wing children that will come into power without having any understanding of what damage capitalism has done to millions and millions of people all over the globe throughout recent history?

or what about....

Capitalism and anyone advocating for it are either intellectually lazy or tyrannical oppressors.

or maybe...

Capitalists don't care about the rich, they just hate the poor.

Whoa... that does feel good to just spout unsupported nonsense, completely devoid of even an ounce of nuance. Let's continue to pretend like the only two economic models are pure, unfettered capitalism and then some weird post-apocalyptic, tyrannical communism. Note: I did try re-working Doc's assertion that "socialist lefties" have goals of (1) killing all the babies they can and (2) making sure that everyone has weed. Unfortunately, I found it too hard to parody.

So, let’s hear your brilliant ways to save the world than skip! Since you are CLEARLY so much smarter than these hillbilly, cousin-kissin’, righties on here.

Tell us how you can help save us idiots from ourselves, or maybe you just like sitting on your ivory tower drinking high tea and laughing at dem conservatives “lack of nuance”.

[jdshock]

I sincerely believe KW, Prez, Doc, and Wufan are all capable of nuance. My post was to highlight that this particular thread had turned into a mindless echo chamber where no one was saying anything of value.

In point of fact, I'd be shocked if more than 25% of that group were cousin kissers...

I kid...

[ShockerPrez]

This thread could just be devoted to making fun of AOC.... She hasn't really used much nuance lately.

[ShockingButTrue]

Some real top shelf analysis going on in here right now. Here, let me try to join in:

Can you believe all these brainwashed, right-wing children that will come into power without having any understanding of what damage capitalism has done to millions and millions of people all over the globe throughout recent history?

or what about....

Capitalism and anyone advocating for it are either intellectually lazy or tyrannical oppressors.

or maybe...

Capitalists don't care about the rich, they just hate the poor.

Whoa... that does feel good to just spout unsupported nonsense, completely devoid of even an ounce of nuance. Let's continue to pretend like the only two economic models are pure, unfettered capitalism and then some weird post-apocalyptic, tyrannical communism. Note: I did try re-working Doc's assertion that "socialist lefties" have goals of (1) killing all the babies they can and (2) making sure that everyone has weed. Unfortunately, I found it too hard to parody.

got another one...

Capitalists have the moral authority.

Isn't that just cringe-worthy? Nuanced? Substantive enough? No you know how we feel.

Pretty cheeky jd.

[wufan]

Some real top shelf analysis going on in here right now. Here, let me try to join in:

Can you believe all these brainwashed, right-wing children that will come into power without having any understanding of what damage capitalism has done to millions and millions of people all over the globe throughout recent history?

or what about....

Capitalism and anyone advocating for it are either intellectually lazy or tyrannical oppressors.

or maybe...

Capitalists don't care about the rich, they just hate the poor.

Whoa... that does feel good to just spout unsupported nonsense, completely devoid of even an ounce of nuance. Let's continue to pretend like the only two economic models are pure, unfettered capitalism and then some weird post-apocalyptic, tyrannical communism. Note: I did try re-working Doc's assertion that "socialist lefties" have goals of (1) killing all the babies they can and (2) making sure that everyone has weed. Unfortunately, I found it too hard to parody.

the soviet and the Maoist policies both lead to 10s of millions of deaths.

Capitalism has lead to a drastic reduction in worldwide absolute poverty.

Neither of these statements says anything about the morality of the economic system, but they do offer harsh contrasts in results. Would you disagree with these statements or assessments?

[jdshock]

the soviet and the Maoist policies both lead to 10s of millions of deaths.

Capitalism has lead to a drastic reduction in worldwide absolute poverty.

Neither of these statements says anything about the morality of the economic system, but they do offer harsh contrasts in results. Would you disagree with these statements or assessments?

You're comparing apples to oranges, both (1) by conflating Soviet and Maoist policies with general socialism and (2) by comparing deaths under those regimes to a reduction in poverty. Surely you wouldn't be satisfied if I respond simply by saying "Capitalism has resulted in exorbitant resource consumption. Socialism kept the trains running on time." Those aren't the same thing.

Obviously, loads of people died under tyrannical communist governments throughout the history of the world. Undoubtedly that is true. Loads of people have died in the name of capitalism, though, too. Unregulated capitalism (to be clear, no one in this thread appears to be supporting such a thing) allowed millions to be sold into slavery. Unregulated capitalism provides incentives to engage in international wars over resource allocation. That could be anything from oil to diamonds to water. Unregulated capitalism, objectively this is true, means that individual firms do not feel the consequences of their externalities (by definition). If I can make $100, I don't care if I caused $100,000 worth of air pollution. Across the board, we can point to examples of injuries or deaths caused by capitalism, and millions more that could have been caused had a government not stepped in with key rules and regulations.

Capitalism is really good at leading to innovation. But it obviously has some problems. But only the most extreme (and I'm sure there are some on here) would ever want to go to an Upton-Sinclair-era form of capitalism. Right? Hopefully we can agree that some regulations are good. It's good for companies to have to meet certain food regulations. It's good for companies to experience consequences if they pollute too much.

And America's current brand of capitalism does an okay job at things like preventing slavery, at regulating food production, at regulating pollution, etc. But that's kind of the crux of the point: we are not an unfettered capitalistic society. There is a spectrum between socialism and capitalism. And things like Medicare for all and college tuition are certainly more toward the socialism end than the capitalism end, but so are public k-12 education, the FDA, and progressive tax brackets. The right is using socialism as this boogeyman to scare people away from universal healthcare, et al, rather than debating the merits of each particular point.

At what point would you say the United States is more socialist than capitalist?

[ShockingButTrue]

You're comparing apples to oranges, both (1) by conflating Soviet and Maoist policies with general socialism and (2) by comparing deaths under those regimes to a reduction in poverty. Surely you wouldn't be satisfied if I respond simply by saying "Capitalism has resulted in exorbitant resource consumption. Socialism kept the trains running on time." Those aren't the same thing.

Obviously, loads of people died under tyrannical communist governments throughout the history of the world. Undoubtedly that is true. Loads of people have died in the name of capitalism, though, too. Unregulated capitalism (to be clear, no one in this thread appears to be supporting such a thing) allowed millions to be sold into slavery. Unregulated capitalism provides incentives to engage in international wars over resource allocation. That could be anything from oil to diamonds to water. Unregulated capitalism, objectively this is true, means that individual firms do not feel the consequences of their externalities (by definition). If I can make $100, I don't care if I caused $100,000 worth of air pollution. Across the board, we can point to examples of injuries or deaths caused by capitalism, and millions more that could have been caused had a government not stepped in with key rules and regulations.

Capitalism is really good at leading to innovation. But it obviously has some problems. But only the most extreme (and I'm sure there are some on here) would ever want to go to an Upton-Sinclair-era form of capitalism. Right? Hopefully we can agree that some regulations are good. It's good for companies to have to meet certain food regulations. It's good for companies to experience consequences if they pollute too much.

And America's current brand of capitalism does an okay job at things like preventing slavery, at regulating food production, at regulating pollution, etc. But that's kind of the crux of the point: we are not an unfettered capitalistic society. There is a spectrum between socialism and capitalism. And things like Medicare for all and college tuition are certainly more toward the socialism end than the capitalism end, but so are public k-12 education, the FDA, and progressive tax brackets. The right is using socialism as this boogeyman to scare people away from universal healthcare, et al, rather than debating the merits of each particular point.

At what point would you say the United States is more socialist than capitalist?

Substantive jd.

But back to the context, and I'm assuming that would be the title of this thread, the green initiative wants to subsidize those unwilling to work? Case closed.



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Surely you wouldn't be satisfied if I respond simply by saying "Capitalism has resulted in exorbitant resource consumption.

Beyond being unsatisfied. Capitalism is the best steward of natural resources ever devised. Price limits consumption.

Hopefully we can agree that some regulations are good. It's good for companies to have to meet certain food regulations. It's good for companies to experience consequences if they pollute too much.

Nobody with an IQ over 75 would advocate for totally unrestricted markets. We have laws, we have basic rules to the game. But what you are attempting to avoid talking about through pedantic keyboard somersaults is the fact that your party has gone hard Socialist in a matter of a few years. They are advocating the government takeover of everything they don't like. These are simple-minded ideas created by simpletons or worse...

The right is using socialism as this boogeyman to scare people away from universal healthcare

Because Socialism/Communism IS the boogeyman as far as civilized society is concerned. It creates poverty and poverty causes death. End of story.

At what point would you say the United States is more socialist than capitalist?

At the same point that I say the United States's best days are behind us. We are literally on the precipice of that becoming a reality. Universal healthcare will be the tipping point where we begin handing over the leadership of the free world in science, innovation, and peace (no more) to our communist-loving adversaries.


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[Steeleshocker]

I tend to lean conservative, or perhaps libertarian in my views, but your last line amuses me. If the socialist/communist path leads to our failure to innovate, then how is it also possible world leadership of innovation would be taken over by a socialist/communist nation?

And for the record, I think ACO is a moron for believing that we can just "get rid of" air travel and replace it with high speed rail.

Also, many of the policies pushing us towards reduced carbon are being done by the free market and conscientious consumers. Just today I decided it was worth the extra $1 to my electric bill to have wind power supply 50% of my power. Market economics on electric cars and renewable energy are already taking us towards reduction or elimination of carbon pollution. We don't need the government to force it down our throats.

[C0|dB|00ded]

"I tend to lean conservative, or perhaps libertarian in my views, but your last line amuses me. If the socialist/communist path leads to our failure to innovate, then how is it also possible world leadership of innovation would be taken over by a socialist/communist nation?"

I'm speaking specifically about China. They are Communist in government but Capitalistic in economy. Their Communist leaders utilize Capitalism only as a means to an end. They learned from the USSR. They know they need free markets to beat the U.S. but still somehow maintain a dictatorial control over the people. It's only because of their unique, ancient culture (servitude), that they are able to pull it off. They get to pretend to be Americans but live under constant threat that everything they own could be taken from them at a moment's notice.

A lot of what they've built has been on the back of U.S. technology. Perhaps if we lose our innovative momentum theirs will also dissipate. It would make sense that as the U.S. becomes more Socialistic, the rest of the world would become poorer. Essentially civilization would become collectively lazier with the incentive for personal profit having been minimized.


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[ShockingButTrue]

It's clearly a knee-jerk reaction to the hatred of our current President. Even Ray Charles can see that. Plain stupid. What about "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?"

That kind of hate has serious repercussions, as it appears are approaching rapidly.

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I honestly don't think it has anything to do with Trump. The endless investigations are for Trump. This Socialism B.S. smacks of ignorance or something far more sinister. I want to believe it's just ignorance but there are grown-ass adults involved in this economic psychosis. Bernie Sanders immediately comes to mind. He's as grown-ass as it gets...

When a basic economic textbook is freely available for all to read, I just don't understand this movement. It's almost as radical as questioning the existence of gravity.


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[moshock]

I have a question for JD Shock. I'm assuming that You are an Attorney. My Son is an Attorney and got there by busting his ass in College and Law School as I'm sure you did. I've busted my ass to build a nice small business. I'm sure that I don't have as much income as you so would you mind sending me a small portion of your pay....you know...maybe 15-20% ? to make up the difference. To use Barak's words...it's neighborly right ? You bust your ass....I bust my ass - we should make an equal amount of $$$ right - it's up to you to make up the difference. If you truly believe in Socialism - let's hook up and compare our annual salaries so you can make up the difference between our income's. Thanks in Advance !!



To the rest of the snowflakes that make the statement that capitalism has cost the world - that statement is nuts. America's capitalistic society has created jobs all over the world. Our factory in China has 120 employees and that's just my small business. American farmers feed an extraordinary amount of people. America's technology companies employ people all over the globe and on and on and on

The USA is the standard bearer for living conditions and work environment. Just ask your next taxi cab driver. Most of them would leave their shithole country and move here in a heartbeat to join in our capitalistic society.

[C0|dB|00ded]

"I'm sure that I don't have as much income as you"

Don't be so sure... this country has a surplus of attorneys. You can find them clinging to the back of ambulances by the thousands.

Speaking of surplus attorneys: I think we could end a lot of our problems in this country by disappearing about half of them Thanos-style. That would be good news for the JD's of the world as his pay would rise.

The law profession has evolved into something it was never intended to become. It has gone from advisory to parasitic in nature.


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