Can Cain win?

[ABC]

Sorry to beat the dead horse, but let me repeat that Cain is not going to win the nomination.

[Ixiah]

A few more articles on the 9-9-9 plan:

Cato:

http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/look-before-you-leap-on-cains-9-9-9-tax-plan/

Washington Times:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/sep/25/curl-cains-9-9-9-tax-plan-is-fairer-share/?page=all

National Review:

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/278668/nein-nein-nein-kevin-d-williamson

Bloomburg:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-10-05/cain-s-9-9-9-math-raises-questions-on-generating-enough-revenue.html

[Shirley Schmidt]

Sorry to beat the dead horse, but let me repeat that Cain is not going to win the nomination.

Just like Shocker football, but it is still fun to talk about.

[RoyalShock]

I saw it pointed out that the default tax setting in SimCity4 (released in 2003) is 9-9-9. Yes, seriously.

So now you know where he got his plan.

[ShockBand]

I saw it pointed out that the default tax setting in SimCity4 (released in 2003) is 9-9-9. Yes, seriously.

So now you know where he got his plan.

Politics is all a game anyway, isn't it? At least to the politicians it seems so...

[Maggie]

Here's what it says about entitlements on the Herman Cain webpage.

http://www.hermancain.com/the-issues/entitlements

For the generations or workers who have paid into Social Security and Medicare, the federal government’s inevitable failure to pay them as they retire is undeniably stealing. These are generations who have worked and sacrificed to leave this country a better place for their children and grand children as they retire. The current behavior of an out of control federal government does little to ease their minds.

The federal government has imposed expensive and often counter-productive social and welfare programs on the states and the people. It is time to admit the mistakes, and get the federal government out of the way. This will allow states, cities, churches, charities and businesses to offer a helping hand instead of a handout where they live. People closest to the problems are the best ones to solve the problems effectively.

The highlighted text sounds like he wants to eliminate entitlements at the federal level and let the state and local governments and others take care of it.

That is why I said, facetiously, that the state and local governments had all kinds of money.

The 999 plan doesn't address entitlements, not directly anyway. And I have not heard Cain speak about entitlements; but apparently he mentioned being open to the idea of offering Paul Ryan the VP slot. But I don't think he has endorsed Ryan's budget. The only candidate that has, I believe, is Huntsman.

[Maggie]

Sorry to beat the dead horse, but let me repeat that Cain is not going to win the nomination.

Probably not, ABC - but I think his rise will continue for a while. I am taking a wait and see approach. If not Cain - the thing is - that leaves the GOP with Romney. Perry has the money to continue for a while but don't I just see him recovering - and based on his debate performances I don't want him to recover. Paul's support will stay where it is currently - could even slip a little. The rest of the field might as well pack it in.

[SB Shock]

Sorry to beat the dead horse, but let me repeat that Cain is not going to win the nomination.

Not to beat a dead horse but Romney is not going to win a presidential election (and that is why Cain is doing so well in the polls).

[ABC]

If Romney gets the nomination, he will beat Obama.

With his #s right now, Obama is not re-electable.

Four Presidents were elected to the Presidency without holding previous elected office (Taylor, Grant, Hoover, and Eisenhower).

I don't see Cain being the fifth.

[SB Shock]

If Romney gets the nomination, he will beat Obama.

With his #s right now, Obama is not re-electable.

Four Presidents were elected to the Presidency without holding previous elected office (Taylor, Grant, Hoover, and Eisenhower).

I don't see Cain being the fifth.

If you look at any polling data obama is beating every republican candidate. Obama will have more money and the media in his pocket (even if the economy hasn't turned around look for stories of it immenent upturn all due to the dear leader).

Then when you add in the Romney will lose part of his base either by not voting for him or not turning out- which means a major defeat.

[ABC]

I look at polling data for a living.

Head to head at this point are meaningless.

Bush is the only President since Gallup started that was re-elected with less than a 50% approval rating and he was 48%.

Obama has hovered b/t the high 30s and low 40s. A President simply does not get re-elected with those numbers. Add in the likely continuing high-unemployment numbers and a variety of other things, I believe that no matter who the GOP nominee is, Obama is more likely than not to be defeated.

I think Cain can beat Obama if he receives the nomination, but he isn't going to be the nominee.

The base will turn out in droves on election day to vote against Obama. They essentially did that last November 2010 and Obama wasn't even on the ballot. It will happen again and more so November 2012.

I am not a Romney suporrter in any sense of the word. I have significant differences wtih him on cap and trade, health care and several other issues.

He just might be the GOP 2012 version of Clinton in 1992. I recall the Democrats weren't excited about him during the nomination process, but once nominated, it didn't matter. The GOP and Bush were the enemies.

[Maggie]

I look at polling data for a living.

Head to head at this point are meaningless.

Bush is the only President since Gallup started that was re-elected with less than a 50% approval rating and he was 48%.

Obama has hovered b/t the high 30s and low 40s. A President simply does not get re-elected with those numbers. Add in the likely continuing high-unemployment numbers and a variety of other things, I believe that no matter who the GOP nominee is, Obama is more likely than not to be defeated.

I think Cain can beat Obama if he receives the nomination, but he isn't going to be the nominee.

The base will turn out in droves on election day to vote against Obama. They essentially did that last November 2010 and Obama wasn't even on the ballot. It will happen again and more so November 2012.

I am not a Romney suporrter in any sense of the word. I have significant differences wtih him on cap and trade, health care and several other issues.

He just might be the GOP 2012 version of Clinton in 1992. I recall the Democrats weren't excited about him during the nomination process, but once nominated, it didn't matter. The GOP and Bush were the enemies.

Obama's national approval numbers have been in the mid to low 40s, right? I don't recall them dipping below 40%, and if they did, they didn't stay there for very long. Notwithstanding, you are correct historically.

However, at this point I still consider Obama as the favorite. Remember Carter's poll numbers didn't tank until late in the election cycle.

P.S. The "base" will turn out; however, self described "independents" hold the keys to the kingdom.

[InWuWeTrust]

I saw it pointed out that the default tax setting in SimCity4 (released in 2003) is 9-9-9. Yes, seriously.

So now you know where he got his plan.

in all seriousness, i think herman is a potential candidate. regarding simcity, i love that game. if you zoom in really close to the pizza restaurant (small building with a floating pizza sign), you can see herman.

[Ixiah]

If Romney gets the nomination, he will beat Obama.

With his #s right now, Obama is not re-electable.

I originally thought the same thing and now I'm wondering a bit. Obama has a massive $ advantage with over 700 million now. Compare that to Romney only having 14 million. Should Romney win the nomination his donations should go up dramatically but still that is a huge $ lead to overcome.

[ABC]

There will so much money spent, it won't matter.

I wish I could come up with an analogy.

If Obama has 1 million commericals and Romney/GOP nominee only has 250,000 commericals that you see, it won't matter. It will beyond saturation for both candidates.

Obama had a ton more money than McCain, but does anyone really think that is why he won? Everyone knew McCain and where he was on the issues.