KU -Uh Oh!

[Downtown Shocker Brown]

Turner Gill will be next Kansas coach.

[rjl]

Too close to call my friend. :D


Am I the only one that thinks KU would be a huge step BACKWARDS for the Stanford coach?

I can see why the average bandwagon, superficial, know nothing KU fan (I know that's awfully redundant) would be excited about the prospect of Harbaugh being their next coach. I just find it hard to believe Jim is interested any more that just getting leverage for his current job or a real job. The only people that think KU is a real football program are a few KU knuckleheads. Everyone else knows its a 2nd rate program, with 2nd rate support, 3rd rate facilities and will ALWAYS play 2nd fiddle to basketball. They do, however, have a 1st rate dick for an AD.

I actually think Turner Gill would do an admirable job at KU....but he could do a GREAT job and be just over .500. But I don't think for 1 nanosecond that he is even being considered by Lew. Feel free to read ANYTHING into that you want.

Not doing this to be contradictory, and I'm far from a KU fan in any sport, but KU's football facilities are definitely not 3rd rate. They just spent $31 million less than 3 years ago on substantial upgrades.

KU also pays their coaches generously, too. Mangino made $2.3 million this last year, Harbaugh made $1 million.

That said, football will always play second fiddle to basketball at KU. Jim is staying where he's at, and for good reason.

[Nightwatchman]

'Sker brown-noser.

better than being a boomer sooner chump

Too close to call my friend. :D


Am I the only one that thinks KU would be a huge step BACKWARDS for the Stanford coach?

I can see why the average bandwagon, superficial, know nothing KU fan (I know that's awfully redundant) would be excited about the prospect of Harbaugh being their next coach. I just find it hard to believe Jim is interested any more that just getting leverage for his current job or a real job. The only people that think KU is a real football program are a few KU knuckleheads. Everyone else knows its a 2nd rate program, with 2nd rate support, 3rd rate facilities and will ALWAYS play 2nd fiddle to basketball. They do, however, have a 1st rate dick for an AD.

I actually think Turner Gill would do an admirable job at KU....but he could do a GREAT job and be just over .500. But I don't think for 1 nanosecond that he is even being considered by Lew. Feel free to read ANYTHING into that you want.

2nd program, it's definitely a program on the rise
2nd rate support, wrong
3rd rate facilities, lol absolutely wrong, the new facilities are top notch
Gill not being considered by Lew, wrong yet again

Why does KUs coaching and overall upgrades to its football program bother so many people?

[BenWSU]

It all comes down to recruiting connections in Texas, CA, and FL. Most of the good players come out of Texas and want to play in warm weather climates. Thats why the SEC gets all the good players.

[DCShockerFan05]

Most of the good players come out of Texas and want to play in warm weather climates. Thats why the SEC gets all the good players.

That and the "hostesses."

[Denny Crane]

http://www.kansascity.com/177/story/1627380.html

[Downtown Shocker Brown]

Turner Gill will be next Kansas coach.

They scooping me!!! WTF!!

That was PREMIUM BOARD MATERIAL!!

[WuDrWu]

2nd program, it's definitely a program on the rise
2nd rate support, wrong
3rd rate facilities, lol absolutely wrong, the new facilities are top notch
Gill not being considered by Lew, wrong yet again

Why does KUs coaching and overall upgrades to its football program bother so many people?

Last time, chowderhead, I'm going to set you and your warped ilk straight.


First rate football programs: Texas, Oklahoma, A&M, Nebraska, USC, Michigan, Penn State, Florida, LSU, Alabama, Notre Dame etc......

There are AT LEAST 25 schools in this league. KU AIN'T in it. Never has been and WILL NOT BE ANYTIME in the foreseeable future.

Maybe, MAYBE they are in a second tier of schools......so you're dead wrong about #1.

First rate support....see #1. You can pleasure yourself all you want with the Williams fund......UT wipes their ass with the Williams fund. Memorial stadium holds 50k....it is RARELY full. Outside of the last 3 years and Nebraska games, it might never have been full. It's about 90 years old and looks like a pile of garbage. Hell Vaught-Hemmingway Stadium holds 60k.....2nd rate support is a GIFT here. Some would argue 3rd rate in BCS conferences. So again, you're totally opposite of correct.

They have upgraded some of the facilities. I'll give you a push here, but a whole bunch of the upgrades are due to basketball, not football. Still, have you toured some of the tier 1 schools I mentioned? Oklahoma upgraded their fitness center about 20 years ago at level better than KU's today. I'll give them a solid tier 2. Push.

It would appear Lew did consider Turner. Obviously he wasn't the first choice, but I'll take the hit here. You get 1.

Their upgrades don't bother me or anyone else I know. Turner Gill is in all likelyhood NOT an upgrade from Mark Mangino, but whatever floats your boat. Time will tell.

KU is about $100M and AT BARE MINIMUM at least 1 trip (since they have ZERO and remind me when the last time they won a conference championship) to a conference championship game from even being mentioned in the same breath as a tier 1 program. And with the re-emergence of NU and Bill back in Manhattan, a return visit to the weekly BOTTOM 10 rankings is FAR more likely.

Class dismissed.

[Nightwatchman]

2nd program, it's definitely a program on the rise
2nd rate support, wrong
3rd rate facilities, lol absolutely wrong, the new facilities are top notch
Gill not being considered by Lew, wrong yet again

Why does KUs coaching and overall upgrades to its football program bother so many people?

Last time, chowderhead, I'm going to set you and your warped ilk straight.


First rate football programs: Texas, Oklahoma, A&M, Nebraska, USC, Michigan, Penn State, Florida, LSU, Alabama, Notre Dame etc......

There are AT LEAST 25 schools in this league. KU AIN'T in it. Never has been and WILL NOT BE ANYTIME in the foreseeable future.

Maybe, MAYBE they are in a second tier of schools......so you're dead wrong about #1.

First rate support....see #1. You can pleasure yourself all you want with the Williams fund......UT wipes their ass with the Williams fund. Memorial stadium holds 50k....it is RARELY full. Outside of the last 3 years and Nebraska games, it might never have been full. It's about 90 years old and looks like a pile of garbage. Hell Vaught-Hemmingway Stadium holds 60k.....2nd rate support is a GIFT here. Some would argue 3rd rate in BCS conferences. So again, you're totally opposite of correct.

They have upgraded some of the facilities. I'll give you a push here, but a whole bunch of the upgrades are due to basketball, not football. Still, have you toured some of the tier 1 schools I mentioned? Oklahoma upgraded their fitness center about 20 years ago at level better than KU's today. I'll give them a solid tier 2. Push.

It would appear Lew did consider Turner. Obviously he wasn't the first choice, but I'll take the hit here. You get 1.

Their upgrades don't bother me or anyone else I know. Turner Gill is in all likelyhood NOT an upgrade from Mark Mangino, but whatever floats your boat. Time will tell.

KU is about $100M and AT BARE MINIMUM at least 1 trip (since they have ZERO and remind me when the last time they won a conference championship) to a conference championship game from even being mentioned in the same breath as a tier 1 program. And with the re-emergence of NU and Bill back in Manhattan, a return visit to the weekly BOTTOM 10 rankings is FAR more likely.

Class dismissed.

I'm not even saying KUs football is even in the same breath as those schools you listed. Even the most idiotic biased fan knows that. As you noted other than the last 3 or 4 years football attendance was abysmal, but now they are selling out games and still selling record season packages (I think 38k last August, even more than the year after the BCS victory). You've got to start somewhere and that is progress.

As for the facilities I was referring to the new 31 million dollar complex which even Lou Holtz and Herbstreit commented that it can compete with many other football schools. The stadium though is lol horrible, there is a freaking track on the field. There are probably some high schools in Texas with a better stadium. I have no idea what they plan to do with that stadium but upgrades should be #1 on the list.

As for football revenue they were suprisingly #11 out of 118 D1 teams in 2007-2008.

2nd program, it's definitely a program on the rise
2nd rate support, wrong
3rd rate facilities, lol absolutely wrong, the new facilities are top notch
Gill not being considered by Lew, wrong yet again

Why does KUs coaching and overall upgrades to its football program bother so many people?

Last time, chowderhead, I'm going to set you and your warped ilk straight.


First rate football programs: Texas, Oklahoma, A&M, Nebraska, USC, Michigan, Penn State, Florida, LSU, Alabama, Notre Dame etc......

There are AT LEAST 25 schools in this league. KU AIN'T in it. Never has been and WILL NOT BE ANYTIME in the foreseeable future.

Maybe, MAYBE they are in a second tier of schools......so you're dead wrong about #1.

First rate support....see #1. You can pleasure yourself all you want with the Williams fund......UT wipes their ass with the Williams fund. Memorial stadium holds 50k....it is RARELY full. Outside of the last 3 years and Nebraska games, it might never have been full. It's about 90 years old and looks like a pile of garbage. Hell Vaught-Hemmingway Stadium holds 60k.....2nd rate support is a GIFT here. Some would argue 3rd rate in BCS conferences. So again, you're totally opposite of correct.

They have upgraded some of the facilities. I'll give you a push here, but a whole bunch of the upgrades are due to basketball, not football. Still, have you toured some of the tier 1 schools I mentioned? Oklahoma upgraded their fitness center about 20 years ago at level better than KU's today. I'll give them a solid tier 2. Push.

It would appear Lew did consider Turner. Obviously he wasn't the first choice, but I'll take the hit here. You get 1.

Their upgrades don't bother me or anyone else I know. Turner Gill is in all likelyhood NOT an upgrade from Mark Mangino, but whatever floats your boat. Time will tell.

KU is about $100M and AT BARE MINIMUM at least 1 trip (since they have ZERO and remind me when the last time they won a conference championship) to a conference championship game from even being mentioned in the same breath as a tier 1 program. And with the re-emergence of NU and Bill back in Manhattan, a return visit to the weekly BOTTOM 10 rankings is FAR more likely.

Class dismissed.

I'm not even saying KUs football is even in the same breath as those schools you listed. Even the most idiotic biased fan knows that. As you noted other than the last 3 or 4 years football attendance was abysmal, but now they are selling out games and still selling record season packages (I think 38k last August, even more than the year after the BCS victory). You've got to start somewhere and that is progress.

As for the facilities I was referring to the new 31 million dollar complex which even Lou Holtz and Herbstreit commented that it can compete with many other football schools. The stadium though is lol horrible, there is a freaking track on the field. There are probably some high schools in Texas with a better stadium. I have no idea what they plan to do with that stadium but upgrades should be #1 on the list.

As for football revenue they were suprisingly #11 out of 118 D1 teams in 2007-2008.

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1st Texas $120,288,370 Big 12
2nd Ohio State $117,953,712 Big Ten
3rd Florida $106,030,895 Southeastern Conference
4th Michigan $99,027,105 Big Ten
5th Wisconsin $93,452,334 Big Ten
6th Penn State $91,570,233 Big Ten
7th Auburn $89,305,326 Southeastern Conference
8th Alabama $88,869,810 Southeastern Conference
9th Tennessee $88,719,798 Southeastern Conference
10th Oklahoma State $88,554,438 Big 12
11th Kansas $86,009,257 Big 12

Not saying they are going to ever be an elite school for football. But you have to admit they are a program on the rise and can atleast be competitive in the Big 12. The fact that Tuberville, Houston Nutt, and Harbaugh had interest in the program tells you they're doing a few things right.

[WstateU]

2nd program, it's definitely a program on the rise
2nd rate support, wrong
3rd rate facilities, lol absolutely wrong, the new facilities are top notch
Gill not being considered by Lew, wrong yet again

Why does KUs coaching and overall upgrades to its football program bother so many people?

Last time, chowderhead, I'm going to set you and your warped ilk straight.


First rate football programs: Texas, Oklahoma, A&M, Nebraska, USC, Michigan, Penn State, Florida, LSU, Alabama, Notre Dame etc......

There are AT LEAST 25 schools in this league. KU AIN'T in it. Never has been and WILL NOT BE ANYTIME in the foreseeable future.

Maybe, MAYBE they are in a second tier of schools......so you're dead wrong about #1.

First rate support....see #1. You can pleasure yourself all you want with the Williams fund......UT wipes their ass with the Williams fund. Memorial stadium holds 50k....it is RARELY full. Outside of the last 3 years and Nebraska games, it might never have been full. It's about 90 years old and looks like a pile of garbage. Hell Vaught-Hemmingway Stadium holds 60k.....2nd rate support is a GIFT here. Some would argue 3rd rate in BCS conferences. So again, you're totally opposite of correct.

They have upgraded some of the facilities. I'll give you a push here, but a whole bunch of the upgrades are due to basketball, not football. Still, have you toured some of the tier 1 schools I mentioned? Oklahoma upgraded their fitness center about 20 years ago at level better than KU's today. I'll give them a solid tier 2. Push.

It would appear Lew did consider Turner. Obviously he wasn't the first choice, but I'll take the hit here. You get 1.

Their upgrades don't bother me or anyone else I know. Turner Gill is in all likelyhood NOT an upgrade from Mark Mangino, but whatever floats your boat. Time will tell.

KU is about $100M and AT BARE MINIMUM at least 1 trip (since they have ZERO and remind me when the last time they won a conference championship) to a conference championship game from even being mentioned in the same breath as a tier 1 program. And with the re-emergence of NU and Bill back in Manhattan, a return visit to the weekly BOTTOM 10 rankings is FAR more likely.

Class dismissed.

I'm not even saying KUs football is even in the same breath as those schools you listed. Even the most idiotic biased fan knows that. As you noted other than the last 3 or 4 years football attendance was abysmal, but now they are selling out games and still selling record season packages (I think 38k last August, even more than the year after the BCS victory). You've got to start somewhere and that is progress.

As for the facilities I was referring to the new 31 million dollar complex which even Lou Holtz and Herbstreit commented that it can compete with many other football schools. The stadium though is lol horrible, there is a freaking track on the field. There are probably some high schools in Texas with a better stadium. I have no idea what they plan to do with that stadium but upgrades should be #1 on the list.

As for football revenue they were suprisingly #11 out of 118 D1 teams in 2007-2008.

2nd program, it's definitely a program on the rise
2nd rate support, wrong
3rd rate facilities, lol absolutely wrong, the new facilities are top notch
Gill not being considered by Lew, wrong yet again

Why does KUs coaching and overall upgrades to its football program bother so many people?

Last time, chowderhead, I'm going to set you and your warped ilk straight.


First rate football programs: Texas, Oklahoma, A&M, Nebraska, USC, Michigan, Penn State, Florida, LSU, Alabama, Notre Dame etc......

There are AT LEAST 25 schools in this league. KU AIN'T in it. Never has been and WILL NOT BE ANYTIME in the foreseeable future.

Maybe, MAYBE they are in a second tier of schools......so you're dead wrong about #1.

First rate support....see #1. You can pleasure yourself all you want with the Williams fund......UT wipes their ass with the Williams fund. Memorial stadium holds 50k....it is RARELY full. Outside of the last 3 years and Nebraska games, it might never have been full. It's about 90 years old and looks like a pile of garbage. Hell Vaught-Hemmingway Stadium holds 60k.....2nd rate support is a GIFT here. Some would argue 3rd rate in BCS conferences. So again, you're totally opposite of correct.

They have upgraded some of the facilities. I'll give you a push here, but a whole bunch of the upgrades are due to basketball, not football. Still, have you toured some of the tier 1 schools I mentioned? Oklahoma upgraded their fitness center about 20 years ago at level better than KU's today. I'll give them a solid tier 2. Push.

It would appear Lew did consider Turner. Obviously he wasn't the first choice, but I'll take the hit here. You get 1.

Their upgrades don't bother me or anyone else I know. Turner Gill is in all likelyhood NOT an upgrade from Mark Mangino, but whatever floats your boat. Time will tell.

KU is about $100M and AT BARE MINIMUM at least 1 trip (since they have ZERO and remind me when the last time they won a conference championship) to a conference championship game from even being mentioned in the same breath as a tier 1 program. And with the re-emergence of NU and Bill back in Manhattan, a return visit to the weekly BOTTOM 10 rankings is FAR more likely.

Class dismissed.

I'm not even saying KUs football is even in the same breath as those schools you listed. Even the most idiotic biased fan knows that. As you noted other than the last 3 or 4 years football attendance was abysmal, but now they are selling out games and still selling record season packages (I think 38k last August, even more than the year after the BCS victory). You've got to start somewhere and that is progress.

As for the facilities I was referring to the new 31 million dollar complex which even Lou Holtz and Herbstreit commented that it can compete with many other football schools. The stadium though is lol horrible, there is a freaking track on the field. There are probably some high schools in Texas with a better stadium. I have no idea what they plan to do with that stadium but upgrades should be #1 on the list.

As for football revenue they were suprisingly #11 out of 118 D1 teams in 2007-2008.

https://<br /> <div class="b-bbcode...> </div><br />

1st Texas $120,288,370 Big 12
2nd Ohio State $117,953,712 Big Ten
3rd Florida $106,030,895 Southeastern Conference
4th Michigan $99,027,105 Big Ten
5th Wisconsin $93,452,334 Big Ten
6th Penn State $91,570,233 Big Ten
7th Auburn $89,305,326 Southeastern Conference
8th Alabama $88,869,810 Southeastern Conference
9th Tennessee $88,719,798 Southeastern Conference
10th Oklahoma State $88,554,438 Big 12
11th Kansas $86,009,257 Big 12

Not saying they are going to ever be an elite school for football. But you have to admit they are a program on the rise and can atleast be competitive in the Big 12.

Is there a little déjà vu here? :D

[Nightwatchman]

Not to hijack the thread but WSU needs to figure out how to get a football squad together. Maybe I'm being optimistic, but I think the fan support and attendance would be huge.

[shockball]

Back on topic.

Mangino got $3,000,000 out of KU. That is $2m more than what I was guessing.

[ShockerGorilla]

Back on topic.

Mangino got $3,000,000 out of KU. That is $2m more than what I was guessing.

.....and $3m more than what he deserved.

[vbird53]

Back on topic.

Mangino got $3,000,000 out of KU. That is $2m more than what I was guessing.

.....and $3m more than what he deserved.

He might be an @hole, but it's not his fault that Sweet Lew offered him that contract, owing him $6 mill. If he really wanted to, I'd bet he could have fought it, and ended up with KU owing him the whole sum (especially if they want to keep the contents of the investigation sealed).

He settled for half. Probably smart on both the University's and Mangino's behalf.

[ShockerGorilla]

KU OL Darius Parish arrested

Will the thuggery ever stop at KU?