No matter which side of the aisle you are on

[SubGod22]

I've never been a big fan of McCain, but the military has always been a big issue with me and I feel better about him in charge of that than Obama.

I do love Palin and have for a while. One thing about McCain winning is that it would set her up for a possible run at the White House in the not too distant future.

Between Obama and McCain I think the country is better off with McCain.

[1979Shocker]

I don't have the numbers, but haven't most of our recent presidents been former governors? Senators just pretty much march in lock-step with their party. Not a lot of decisions to make, really.

I think I heard that the last senator to be president was John F. Kennedy.

[rayc]

Royal:

That was a poorly worded question. Hurt rather than help? Whatever happened to just report?

I'm not sure how you would word the question any differently.
Rasmussen is a polling organization not a news agency, what they do is report.
They, along with Gallop, are probably the only major polling groups whose integrity is largly beyond reproach.

The survey instrument used for this poll can be viewed at:

***edited to remove link, it was so long it made reading this page a pain!!
***and now Royal needs to do the same in his reply --- please!

[ShockerFever]

I wasnt impressed

Wow! For some reason that doesn't surprise me. :whistle:

Too many big words for him to understand and be impressed by.

[Downtown Shocker Brown]

The only other incumbent Senator to who election was Harding. Not sure how many former Senators or Congressmen have been elected while not a sitting member.

[shockmonster]

A vote for Barr is another vote for supreme court justices who legislate from the bench.

[SubGod22]

In Kansas, a vote for Barr or Baldwin isn't going to hurt the Republicans. They will win this state easily.

Now, maybe there are states where that could play, but not here.

[RoyalShock]

Royal:

That was a poorly worded question. Hurt rather than help? Whatever happened to just report?

I'm not sure how you would word the question any differently.
Rasmussen is a polling organization not a news agency, what they do is report.
They, along with Gallop, are probably the only major polling groups whose integrity is largly beyond reproach.

The survey instrument used for this poll can be viewed at:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...ptember_3_2008

The portion you quoted implied there were only two possible answers - helping or hurting. The link you provided shows that 35% think it is unbiased reporting.

[double dribble]

Palin is smart, articulate, HOT, conservative, and has more executive experience than Barak.
Barak is like a hologram, he is all image with no substance. He is the same old liberal agenda repackaged in a nice (empty) suit. Cut defense funding, raise taxes, create class envy, devide the country into haves and have nots, punish achievement, socialized health care, kill unwanted babies, blah blah blah
Its nothing new, the liberal agenda is still socialism.

[rjl]

Sorry guys, but definitely not impressed.

I have no desire whatsoever to see a book banning super conservative in office. I definitely have no desire to see one that so many of you are gushing all over for... what? Nothing.

Being mayor of a town with a population of under 6,000 at the time? Governor for two years?

Now, I care just as little about experience as anyone else when it comes to a presidential candidate (unless it's negative experience, like voting 90% of the time with W and now pretending like you're an agent of change) but I am rather enjoying the hypocrisy from everyone who challenged Barack's experience before.

Suddenly being mayor of a hamlet and governor of one of the smallest populated states is plenty? Pretty laughable.

I don't see how anyone but the die hard conservatives could of enjoyed her speech.

[rayc]

rjl:

...Suddenly being mayor of a hamlet and governor of one of the smallest populated states is plenty? Pretty laughable. ...

I don't think anyone claims Palin's executive experience is plenty, it's not. The claim is that it's more than Obama's, it is.

[C0|dB|00ded]

Hey, I'm no Democrat but I can still think Obama is pretty cool. I am also a long way from a blind party-line follower or a racist (which is unfortunately a main reason why many "can't stand" Obama..

Obama:

Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA
Undergraduate, 1981-1983

Columbia University
B.A. Political Science with specialization in international relations
Thesis topic: Soviet nuclear disarmament

Harvard Law School
J.D. magna cum laude 1988-1991

President, Harvard Law Review

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1983-1984 Writer/Researcher for Business International Corporation. Helped companies understand overseas markets in the “Financing Foreign Operations” service and wrote for the “Business International Money Report”

1984-1985 Community Organizer for New York Public Interest Research Group (PIRG), promoting personal, community, and government reform at City College in Harlem.

1985-1988 Director of the Developing Communities Project (DCP), a church-based community organization originally comprising eight Catholic parishes in Greater Roseland on Chicago's South Side. While director grew the DCP staff from 1 to 13 and their budget from $70,000 to $400,000.

1992 Led Chicago's Project Vote! push. This effort resulted in a record number of voter registrations, over 600,000 in Chicago.
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1993-2004 Visiting Law and Government Fellow, then Senior Lecturer, in Constitutional Law at the University of Chicago Law School. Taught courses on the due process and equal protection areas of constitutional law, on voting rights, and on racism and law. Helped develop a casebook on voting rights.

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1993-2002 Worked as an associate attorney with Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland. Represented non-profits and private individuals in urban development projects, voting rights cases, and wrongful firings. Filed major suit that forced the state of Illinois to enforce the Motor Voter Law and successfully argued a wrongful firing case before the U.S. 7th Circuit Court of Appeals.

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Illinois Senate 1996-2004

chairman, Health and Human Services Committee

Spearheaded a successful bipartisan effort in Illinois to pass the broadest ethics-reform legislation by any state in 25 years, and also gained
bipartisan support for his successful bills reforming death penalty interrogations and ending racial profiling by police. Worked with the
Republican-led effort to reform welfare

Also sponsored successful bills expanding tax credits and child-care subsidies for low-income working families, protecting overtime pay for workers, expanding health care for children, and providing job skills training for juveniles

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Sponsored Bill Statistics
Number of sponsored bills: 65
Number of sponsored bills passed: 0
Number of co-sponsored bills 364
Number of co-sponsored bills passed: 5

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United States Senate 2004-present

Member, Senate Foreign Relations Committee

Chairman, Senate Foreign Relations Subcommittee on European Affairs

Member, Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions

Member, Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs

Member, Senate Committee on Veterans' Affairs

Shares responsibility for the bipartisan Coburn-Obama Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act of 2006, requiring full online disclosure of all entities receiving federal funds, and the bipartisan Lugar-Obama Cooperative Proliferation Detection, Interdiction Assistance, and Conventional Threat Reduction Act of 2006, deepening non-proliferation work with WMD and including surface-to-air missiles, land mines, and other weapons that may be used by terrorists

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Bills / Amendments Passed

Barack Obama has introduced nearly 300 bills during his time in the U.S. Senate, and cosponsored close to 1,000 others. If you would like a full look at his legislative efforts, search the 109th Congress at http://thomas.loc.gov/bss/d109query.html and 110th Congress at http://thomas.loc.gov/bss/d110query.html

S.AMDT.1041 to S.1082 To improve the safety and efficacy of genetic tests.
S.AMDT.3073 to H.R.1585 To provide for transparency and accountability in military and security contracting.
S.AMDT.3078 to H.R.1585 Relating to administrative separations of members of the Armed Forces for personality disorder.
S.AMDT.41 to S.1 To require lobbyists to disclose the candidates, leadership PACs, or political parties for whom they collect or arrange contributions, and the aggregate amount of the contributions collected or arranged.
S.AMDT.524 to S.CON.RES.21 To provide $100 million for the Summer Term Education Program supporting summer learning opportunities for low-income students in the early grades to lessen summer learning losses that contribute to the achievement gaps separating low-income students from their middle-class peers.
S.AMDT.599 to S.CON.RES.21 To add $200 million for Function 270 (Energy) for the demonstration and monitoring of carbon capture and sequestration technology by the Department of Energy.
S.AMDT.905 to S.761 To require the Director of Mathematics, Science, and Engineering Education to establish a program to recruit and provide mentors for women and underrepresented minorities who are interested in careers in mathematics, science, and engineering.
S.AMDT.923 to S.761 To expand the pipeline of individuals entering the science, technology, engineering, and mathematics fields to support United States innovation and competitiveness.
S.AMDT.924 to S.761 To establish summer term education programs.
S.AMDT.2519 to H.R.2638 To provide that one of the funds appropriated or otherwise made available by this Act may be used to enter into a contract in an amount greater than $5 million or to award a grant in excess of such amount unless the prospective contractor or grantee certifies in writing to the agency awarding the contract or grant that the contractor or grantee owes no past due Federal tax liability.
S.AMDT.2588 to H.R.976 To provide certain employment protections for family members who are caring for members of the Armed Forces recovering from illnesses and injuries incurred on active duty.
S.AMDT.2658 to H.R.2642 To provide that none of the funds appropriated or otherwise made available by this Act may be used to enter into a contract in an amount greater than $5,000,000 or to award a grant in excess of such amount unless the prospective contractor or grantee makes certain certifications regarding Federal tax liability.
S.AMDT.2692 to H.R.2764 To require a comprehensive nuclear threat reduction and security plan.
S.AMDT.2799 to H.R.3074 To provide that none of the funds appropriated or otherwise made available by this Act may be used to enter into a contract in an amount greater than $5,000,000 or to award a grant in excess of such amount unless the prospective contractor or grantee makes certain certifications regarding Federal tax liability.
S.AMDT.3137 to H.R.3222 To provide that none of the funds appropriated or otherwise made available by this Act may be used to enter into a contract in an amount greater than $5,000,000 or to award a grant in excess of such amount unless the prospective contractor or grantee makes certain certifications regarding Federal tax liability.
S.AMDT.3234 to H.R.3093 To provide that none of the funds appropriated or otherwise made available by this Act may be used to enter into a contract in an amount greater than $5,000,000 or to award a grant in excess of such amount unless the prospective contractor or grantee makes certain certifications regarding Federal tax liability.
S.AMDT.3331 to H.R.3043 To provide that none of the funds appropriated or otherwise made available by this Act may be used to enter into a contract in an amount greater than $5,000,000 or to award a grant in excess of such amount unless the prospective contractor or grantee makes certain certifications regarding Federal tax liability.
Senate Resolutions Passed:
S.RES.133 : A resolution celebrating the life of Bishop Gilbert Earl Patterson.
S.RES.268 : A resolution designating July 12, 2007, as “National Summer Learning Day”.


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[C0|dB|00ded]

I wanted to add Palin's resume on a different post so it wasn't lost..

NAME: Sarah Heath Palin.
AGE-BIRTH DATE-LOCATION: 44; born Feb. 11, 1964; Sandpoint, Idaho.

EXPERIENCE: Alaska governor since December 2006; unsuccessful run for Republican nomination for lieutenant governor in 2002; chairwoman of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission, 2003-2004; served two terms as Wasilla mayor and two terms on city council.

EDUCATION: Graduated University of Idaho, 1987, journalism.

FAMILY: Husband, Todd; five children.

BUSINESS: Worked as sports reporter for two Anchorage television stations; owned with her husband a snowmobile, watercraft, ATV business from 1994-97. Husband is a North Slope oil field worker.


So basically she got a "news reader" degree. Then she did a Jim Kobbe for a brief period.

She then decided to use her education selling snowmobiles (her husband is quite the snowmobile racer I hear!!111).

Then she became mayor in her hometown of "Mayberry" (about the population of Goddard). I would assume she was competing against the town drunk and the local drugstore owner...

And finally she became governor of the great (700k population) state of Alaska. I wonder if they included polar bears and seals in the census statistics?

Oh.. and her husband works in the oil fied...


Again, I'm no democrat but saying that Palin has more "experience" than Obama is using a very different definition of experience than I would. Palin wouldn't even know where the bathrooms are on Capitol Hill. I'm sure she could give you some great advice on how to tune an ATV though..

I love the idea that she might be a rebel but my common sense tells me that she is just a puppet.

I do like the speech they wrote for her and she presented it well. I just hope she is intelligent and learns fast or else Biden will seriously undress her in a debate if the discussion turns to topics other than harvesting whale blubber or grinding out turns in the snowmobile...I suspect it will.


T


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[rayc]

And the sum total of his executive experience, which was the point, is what?

[WuDrWu]

T,

You've been watching MSNBC a bit too much. I hate to tell you who the real puppet is here.....

You can be smart and wrong.