Apple Event: iPhone 6 (and 6 Plus) & Apple Watch

[MoValley John]

Hahaha Well I was basing my opinion off the very link you posted. I think it's quite arguable that the demographics for the Android user provide a richer target market. But that wasn't even what I was calling you out on. What I was calling you out on was this line: "You know how there are certain car brands who are stigmatized due to a disproportionate volume of their dealers prevalently targeting low income/bad credit clientele (meaning you don't want to buy that make of car because people might assume you fit that mold)? Android suffers badly from this consumer perception." That opinion is dead wrong.

My Yugo kicks ass!

[MoValley John]

You want to know what sucks on both Android an Apple? The auto correct and predictive text.

[Kung Wu]

They all do that. In fact, my music, contacts, calendar, tv, xbox, email and more all cross platforms. Everything I get on my Androids are available on my iPads, tv's, pc and laptops. Everything I have is networked.

I really don't have a problem with whatever platform anyone uses, my original point was that I just don't get the whole cult following. What Apple showed off yesterday has been around for some time, but there are people that act like this is some new innovation. It isn't. Personally, I own Android, Apple and Microsoft products. It drives me nuts that Android people give me crap for having iPads and Apple people look down at my phone.

We live at the same house? My house is full of an eclectic mix of the best of breed. I roll a PC for serious I.T. work, roll a Linux box as a server, roll an iPad for jacking around with recipes and browsing on the couch, roll a Roku for Internet TV, roll a Samsung Note 2 for techie mobile usage ... and I have owned and tried different platforms for every single one of those categories.

In fact, I had a 1st generation iPhone from the very first day they launched. Remember those 24 hour camp out lines? What pisses me off is my wife threw it away because I cracked the screen on it!!!!?!? WTF!!?!?! She thought it was junk because of that and tossed it. ARG

Anyhow, I found:

1) Roku to be better than Apple TV -- if just for the custom channels

2) My PC is way faster, functional and reliable for deep development work than my Mac and Linux boxes

3) The Linux server can't be beaten as a server

4) The iPad is a superior navigation experience over the Android tablets (though lack of Flash still pisses me off tremendously [see mobile phone])

5) The Samsung Note 2 was far superior to my previous iPhones for a myriad of reasons. One of which, I was able to install Flash on it so I can watch sports feeds on it. [That alleviated my irritation with the iPad] One thing I hate about Android compared with iPhone is their implementation of copy/paste.

6) iPod shuffle via WaterFi -- $160 for a $40 shuffle. But ... I am somewhat of a serious runner and was on my 4th(!) shuffle ruined due to sweat. 4 x $40 = $160. I said screw it and bought WaterFi's version for $160 -- I have had it for years now without any issues. Can even wash that bad boy in the washing machine accidentally and it doesn't phase it. All of MP3 players suck in comparison to iPod.

7) Garmin GPS watch for running. Hands down far superior to any competitor that I owned/tested. Nike Plus is a severe waste of money. Running with an iPhone (or any phone for that matter) sucks. Period. It's awful. I feel sorry for people when I see them running with a mobile phone.

I feel like Steve Martin ... just a Ramblin' Man.

[Kung Wu]

My Yugo kicks ass!

Damn straight. What type of gas mileage do you get on that bad boy when it's actually running and has all the fenders properly attached?

[MoValley John]

We live at the same house? My house is full of an eclectic mix of the best of breed. I roll a PC for serious I.T. work, roll a Linux box as a server, roll an iPad for jacking around with recipes and browsing on the couch, roll a Roku for Internet TV, roll a Samsung Note 2 for techie mobile usage ... and I have owned and tried different platforms for every single one of those categories.

In fact, I had a 1st generation iPhone from the very first day they launched. Remember those 24 hour camp out lines? What pisses me off is my wife threw it away because I cracked the screen on it!!!!?!? WTF!!?!?! She thought it was junk because of that and tossed it. ARG

Anyhow, I found:

1) Roku to be better than Apple TV -- if just for the custom channels

2) My PC is way faster, functional and reliable for deep development work than my Mac and Linux boxes

3) The Linux server can't be beaten as a server

4) The iPad is a superior navigation experience over the Android tablets (though lack of Flash still pisses me off tremendously [see mobile phone])

5) The Samsung Note 2 was far superior to my previous iPhones for a myriad of reasons. One of which, I was able to install Flash on it so I can watch sports feeds on it. [That alleviated my irritation with the iPad] One thing I hate about Android compared with iPhone is their implementation of copy/paste.

6) iPod shuffle via WaterFi -- $160 for a $40 shuffle. But ... I am somewhat of a serious runner and was on my 4th(!) shuffle ruined due to sweat. 4 x $40 = $160. I said screw it and bought WaterFi's version for $160 -- I have had it for years now without any issues. Can even wash that bad boy in the washing machine accidentally and it doesn't phase it. All of MP3 players suck in comparison to iPod.

7) Garmin GPS watch for running. Hands down far superior to any competitor that I owned/tested. Nike Plus is a severe waste of money. Running with an iPhone (or any phone for that matter) sucks. Period. It's awful. I feel sorry for people when I see them running with a mobile phone.

I feel like Steve Martin ... just a Ramblin' Man.

Yep, except for Garmin and the fact that I have a Note 3, we have about the same ****! I absolutely understand why people own only Apple products, they are designed with quality and integrate seamlessly with other Apple products. What I don't understand are the lines for the new products and the reaction Apple users have when Apple releases a product that competitors have been marketing for years.

[Kung Wu]

Yep, except for Garmin and the fact that I have a Note 3, we have about the same ****! I absolutely understand why people own only Apple products, they are designed with quality and integrate seamlessly with other Apple products. What I don't understand are the lines for the new products and the reaction Apple users have when Apple releases a product that competitors have been marketing for years.

Yes, if you can live with the limitations that the Apple platforms provide, they are good stuff. Most people can, and that's what they are banking on. I won't live with those limitations in several instances as spelled out previously.

But the Apple scientologists (not all Apple users are a member of the Apple cult) feel like they must defend their Apple purchases in order to justify the extraordinary cost of owning Apple products. e.g. A Mac is way more expensive than a PC for what you get -- there is simply no denying that -- yet an Apple zealot will argue that point until they are dead and buried. And those suckers will argue in favor of their Apple purchase while never having owned a competitive brand product in that category. A counter example is the iPod. Cheap MP3 players are worthless and paying extra money for the iPod is easily justifiable. That's just not true of all Apple products though.

[wufan]

They all do that. In fact, my music, contacts, calendar, tv, xbox, email and more all cross platforms. Everything I get on my Androids are available on my iPads, tv's, pc and laptops. Everything I have is networked.

I'm aware that all of the affirms can network together, and that I could take the best product from a number of providers and integrate them. The fact that it can be done, however, is precipitated by the fact that I can't do it. My systems were constantly losing network or weren't copying over right. I'd spend hours fixing it and it would work for a while and then I'd have to redo something. I don't take joy in the programming and set up. I take joy in always having what I want available to me every time.

I also don't have problems with other products or those that support them, but I am Apples key demographic...constantly connected, but with no care for how or why it works.

[ShockerFever]

It's amusing watching the Android peeps attract themselves to anything Apple. It's a bit ironic actually.

My dad has a Galaxy S4 and the crap and crashes that happen constantly with that device has given him quick reason to switch to the iPhone. Everything is easier, more organized, and a lot less complicated. And it works for longer than 4 months.

[DwShock]

Once you get an iPhone, Apple owns you. The iPhone works with iTunes which is optimized on a mac which networks best with an Airport. So on and so on. All of which are grossly overpriced. I really like my iPads but will be very careful before I drink the Apple Koolaide.

I totally disagree with this. I have an iPhone, use iTunes on my PC and have a lynksys router and my iPhone works without all the other apple branded items. I work with both Apple items and PC items everyday and they work together. The only exception is when you try to manage them on an enterprise level. Then it gets a little tricky.

[MoValley John]

I totally disagree with this. I have an iPhone, use iTunes on my PC and have a lynksys router and my iPhone works without all the other apple branded items. I work with both Apple items and PC items everyday and they work together. The only exception is when you try to manage them on an enterprise level. Then it gets a little tricky.

I never had any luck with iTunes on pc's. Back in the day when my kids had iPods and we had just a pc and a laptop, iTunes would use up all of the resources on my computers and take over the cd player. This was a constant problem for me. In fact, the problems I had trying to run iTunes on a pc was one of the reasons that I have the setup I do now. I keep all of my media on two 5 terabyte drives and every device networks wirelessly through that. All of our media is backed up I don't have any music on my phones, it's all on my computer drive. The only problem with this is Verizon wants to take away my unlimited data. I just quit buying handsets on contract and keep my unlimited data grandfathered. If I lose my unlimited data, I will have to change things up. I use about 12-15 gigs a month.

As I've said, I own two iPads, they are the perfect tablet. The one Apple product that never worked for me was iTunes on my pc. I know others that have had the same problem in the past. Maybe iTunes has improved it's compatibility on the pc side but it never worked for me. We pretty much buy all of our music on Amazon and I don't know if they still do it, but the kids used to save Coke caps and use Coke Rewards points to buy music on Rhapsody.

[Kung Wu]

I never had any luck with iTunes on pc's. Back in the day when my kids had iPods and we had just a pc and a laptop, iTunes would use up all of the resources on my computers and take over the cd player. This was a constant problem for me. In fact, the problems I had trying to run iTunes on a pc was one of the reasons that I have the setup I do now. I keep all of my media on two 5 terabyte drives and every device networks wirelessly through that. All of our media is backed up I don't have any music on my phones, it's all on my computer drive. The only problem with this is Verizon wants to take away my unlimited data. I just quit buying handsets on contract and keep my unlimited data grandfathered. If I lose my unlimited data, I will have to change things up. I use about 12-15 gigs a month.

As I've said, I own two iPads, they are the perfect tablet. The one Apple product that never worked for me was iTunes on my pc. I know others that have had the same problem in the past. Maybe iTunes has improved it's compatibility on the pc side but it never worked for me. We pretty much buy all of our music on Amazon and I don't know if they still do it, but the kids used to save Coke caps and use Coke Rewards points to buy music on Rhapsody.

Yes early adoption of iTunes on either Macs or PCs was very frustrating. Especially PCs. It's much, much better now.

[Kung Wu]

It's amusing watching the Android peeps attract themselves to anything Apple. It's a bit ironic actually.

My dad has a Galaxy S4 and the crap and crashes that happen constantly with that device has given him quick reason to switch to the iPhone. Everything is easier, more organized, and a lot less complicated. And it works for longer than 4 months.

His experience with the Galaxy line is unusual. The S line is very solid. But so are iPhones. So if he got a bunk S4 then you can't blame him for being upset. There is no doubt that the older generations are the ideal iPhone users though. And that's exactly the trend.

[MoValley John]

His experience with the Galaxy line is unusual. The S line is very solid. But so are iPhones. So if he got a bunk S4 then you can't blame him for being upset. There is no doubt that the older generations are the ideal iPhone users though. And that's exactly the trend.

The only bad thing I have ever heard of regarding newer Samsung products is the "cheap" feel to the back and sides and also the disdain for the Touchwiz UI. Regarding Touchwiz, those complaints are limited to developers who hate anything beyond native Android. Most users love Touchwiz. As far as reliability, this is the first I've ever heard of a reliability issue.

[Kung Wu]

The only bad thing I have ever heard of regarding newer Samsung products is the "cheap" feel to the back and sides and also the disdain for the Touchwiz UI. Regarding Touchwiz, those complaints are limited to developers who hate anything beyond native Android. Most users love Touchwiz. As far as reliability, this is the first I've ever heard of a reliability issue.

Same here.

[MoValley John]

I never thought I'd own another Samsung device because I hate the fact that they never used a standard micro USB port for charging. Any time you got a new Samsung you had to buy a new car charger. My current Note 3 works with a standard micro USB so I tried it. The best thing that I ever did was switch from a flip phone and Palm Pilot to a BlackBerry. The best part was never using a stylus again. The only thing better than that was rediscovering just how helpful and cool a stylus could be on my Note 3.