NFL 2023/2024 and Beyond

[RoyalShock]

I thought I also heard he was speeding in a construction zone? If true, it's worse than just 20 over (Big mistake number 1). I do think the one cop overreacted just a bit, as the other cop was the one dealing directly with Hill, and didn't really give him enough time to comply with the order to get out of the car. He probably needs some degree of department discipline. But Hill never should have rolled his window back up (mistake number 2). With those darkly tinted windows there's no telling what he might have been reaching for. Then he should have rolled it back down immediately upon request (mistake number 3). When he did roll it down, it should have been all the way (mistake number 4). Then he argued with the cops (mistake number 5).

Discipline the cop. Hill pays the fines for whatever he was cited. Done. It shouldn't go any further than that.

As for the other wreck WstateU quoted, the Cameron's were loved in the Buhler district. My wife worked at the middle school where Don was an assistant principal and said he had a gift of being able to discipline problem students and still make them feel cared for. Tragic. I hope the driver of the other car gets a lot of time in a small room to think about what he's done.

[jdmee]

When interacting with police you have one big advantage. You know who all has a weapon, he doesn't and if he makes an incorrect assumption he might not have the benefit of hindsight.

[SB Shock]

I watched the cop body cams. The police did nothing wrong. It's good that it was a Cuban descent cop, or they would have been screaming racism. The cops showed a lot of restraint.

1. Hill broke the law.
2. As the lawbreaker, he does not get to make the rules or determine what happens.
3. Hill did not comply. So he gets to eat pavement. Just comply.

On an editorial note, Hill is POS. He committed DV with his now wife, punching her in the stomach when pregnant. He has about 7 children from 5 different women and has a couple of maternity suits because he won't uphold his responsibilities as a father.

His son came up with a broken arm. The police found bruises and welts across the boy's body.

“In April Johnson County District Attorney Steve Howe held a press conference to announce criminal charges wouldn’t be brought against Hill or Espinal but stated he believed a crime was committed against the boy and it was believed the crime was about the broken arm. It was not. Howe’s team has halted working on the case as they still can’t bring charges for bruising and harming the boy.”

[shocktown]

You are generalizing a lot. Tyreek isn’t under as much pressure when stopped for speeding. Policemen are under tremendous pressure. They aren’t all perfect but it seems you expect them to be. Lots of policemen have been assassinated on the past couple of years, but you expect perfection from ALL of them. Perhaps, you should have chosen police work instead of band teaching. I don’t mind that policeman (being Monday morning Quarterbacks) who have lives at risk are second guessed, but I think there are more nuances than you suggest.

Roll down your damn window, Tyreek. There aren’t any lynchings in Florida for many years.

Well said!

[SubGod22]

Some of you have very low expectations for law enforcement. While there have been some instances of attacks on cops, the job isn't near as dangerous as some make it out to be. It's not one of the most dangerous jobs in the country. Very few cops, relatively speaking, are ever harmed or killed on duty. There are more instances of cops using excessive force and letting their ego dictate interactions than there are of cops being attacked.

If a cop is afraid of every interaction with the public, they shouldn't be in law enforcement. Too many enforce their feelings over the law.

Hill was an ass. That's not against the law. He gave his documentation to the cop who said he'd be back after he ran the data. There's no reason for Hill to have to keep his window down at that point other than the ego of another cop not actively involved with the stop. He's one of the bad cops that simply looks to show how big a man he is while wearing a badge. He is the type of cop that gives the vast majority a bad name and why so many don't trust law enforcement.

Cops often times seem to be more like baseball umpires who seek confrontation when they need to be more like basketball officials who are trained to be diplomatic and not let things get personal.

Police are supposed to be trained to deescalate situations but too often we see yahoos like this cop who are looking for reasons to go hands on when it's not actually necessary. These are the cops that shouldn't wear a badge. They're the reason there's hostility and distrust amongst many and law enforcement. And it doesn't matter you skin color to these bad apples, they just want to be the boss regardless of what the law or the Constitution say about a situation. I'm betting this guy has a number of complaints against him for unnecessarily going hands on and willingly violating the rights of others. He really had zero reason to get involved and should have remained a passive actor in the stop if he felt the need to be there to support the other officer.

Again, it's not illegal to be an ass to a cop. But it's also not a good look when a cop goes out of his way to be an ass to a citizen and they should be held to higher standards as members of law enforcement. It's a shame that so many in this country are always willing to give them a pass because they buy into the propaganda that being a police officer is one of the most dangerous jobs on the planet. We hold our military to higher standards while in active war zones than we do our police officers dealing with ordinary American citizens. That's just shameful.

[Kung Wu]

Hill was more than an ass, he was non-compliant.

Be kind and compliant? You might get your 22mph over reduced to 10mph to keep the ticket off insurance and save lots of money over a lifetime of paying insurance.
Be silent and compliant? You might get your 22mph over reduced to 15mph and save $50 to $100.
Be an ass and compliant? You'll pay the full $$$ you owe because you will absolutely get charged with the full 22mph and every other rule you violated.
Be an ass and non-compliant? Kiss pavement.

[SubGod22]

Hill was more than an ass, he was non-compliant.

Be kind and compliant? You might get your 22mph over reduced to 10mph to keep the ticket off insurance and save lots of money over a lifetime of paying insurance.
Be silent and compliant? You might get your 22mph over reduced to 15mph and save $50 to $100.
Be an ass and compliant? You'll pay the full $$$ you owe because you will absolutely get charged with the full 22mph and every other rule you violated.
Be an ass and non-compliant? Kiss pavement.

"non-compliant" with an officer who never should have been involved in the interaction.

"non-compliant" for rolling up the window after the officer who was involved said he'd be back after running his papers. Which is a completely acceptable action under pretty much every other circumstance.

If military acted this way in a war zone they'd end up court-martialed. This cop gets praised by some of you.

I still don't understand why it's so acceptable to many that police are allowed to be more aggressive towards citizens than military towards potential enemy combatants. But that's something nobody ever wants to address.

If your ego is so damn fragile, don't be a police officer.

[Kung Wu]

"non-compliant" with an officer who never should have been involved in the interaction.

Go give it a shot and let us know how it turns out for ya.

[Shockm]

While there have been some instances of attacks on cops, the job isn't near as dangerous as some make it out to be. It's not one of the most dangerous jobs in the country. Very few cops, relatively speaking, are ever harmed or killed on duty. There are more instances of cops using excessive force and letting their ego dictate interactions than there are of cops being attacked.

Most of what you said, I agree with. Ideally, a policeman is everything you stated. Even though police officers have bad days like we all do, and sometimes we all bring our personal problems to work with us (we all need grace sometimes), ideally policemen don't, because some cops are bad actors, and there are consequences when this happens.

However your statement above lacks understanding, and empathy for what policemen (and their families) who drive around in police cars, and wear police uniforms do. For some "sickies" in our society, police cars and police uniforms are a "walking billboard" to kill the authority. Thank God it doesn't happen most of the time, but it happens more than it used to, and cops and cop families have no idea when that day will happen to them. For most of these families, they worry (some although usually they put it out of their minds) everyday when their loved ones go to work. For those families, when there is a "cop shooting", domestic dispute where a gun is involved, or other altercation on the radio, their ears perk up and they listen closely, because they are hoping that their loved one isn't in danger, a shooting or accident.

Death on the job, happens less to firemen, but their families feel this way too. I know quite a few of these families (who serve in dangerous and jobs that are unpredictable), and while they don't advertise it, they all have these thoughts and feelings.

[shock]

Some of you have very low expectations for law enforcement. While there have been some instances of attacks on cops, the job isn't near as dangerous as some make it out to be. It's not one of the most dangerous jobs in the country. Very few cops, relatively speaking, are ever harmed or killed on duty. There are more instances of cops using excessive force and letting their ego dictate interactions than there are of cops being attacked.

If a cop is afraid of every interaction with the public, they shouldn't be in law enforcement. Too many enforce their feelings over the law.

Hill was an ass. That's not against the law. He gave his documentation to the cop who said he'd be back after he ran the data. There's no reason for Hill to have to keep his window down at that point other than the ego of another cop not actively involved with the stop. He's one of the bad cops that simply looks to show how big a man he is while wearing a badge. He is the type of cop that gives the vast majority a bad name and why so many don't trust law enforcement.

Cops often times seem to be more like baseball umpires who seek confrontation when they need to be more like basketball officials who are trained to be diplomatic and not let things get personal.

Police are supposed to be trained to deescalate situations but too often we see yahoos like this cop who are looking for reasons to go hands on when it's not actually necessary. These are the cops that shouldn't wear a badge. They're the reason there's hostility and distrust amongst many and law enforcement. And it doesn't matter you skin color to these bad apples, they just want to be the boss regardless of what the law or the Constitution say about a situation. I'm betting this guy has a number of complaints against him for unnecessarily going hands on and willingly violating the rights of others. He really had zero reason to get involved and should have remained a passive actor in the stop if he felt the need to be there to support the other officer.

Again, it's not illegal to be an ass to a cop. But it's also not a good look when a cop goes out of his way to be an ass to a citizen and they should be held to higher standards as members of law enforcement. It's a shame that so many in this country are always willing to give them a pass because they buy into the propaganda that being a police officer is one of the most dangerous jobs on the planet. We hold our military to higher standards while in active war zones than we do our police officers dealing with ordinary American citizens. That's just shameful.

Idk. I used to think that. I have several trooper friends and a friend from HS who is WPD. One AST friend was chased for hours (perp was on foot, trooper was in his car) in a small parking lot. Trooper was trying to wear him down, and could see that he wasn’t going to stop. Perp was carrying an open gallon of lighter fluid and a lighter. When trooper opened his car door to get out the perp closed the gap faster than anticipated and dumped the lighter fluid on him and tried to light it. Trooper put one in the chest and rendered aid until ambulance got there. This was done in front of a crowd.
WPD friends first day on patrol someone they pulled over tried to pin him (he was on foot) with the vehicle and he had to discharge his weapon.

Yes, by and large a vast majority go through their day without major incident. However, “incident” can pop up any time and go 0-Mach 10 in a heartbeat.

[pinstripers]

"non-compliant" with an officer who never should have been involved in the interaction.

"non-compliant" for rolling up the window after the officer who was involved said he'd be back after running his papers. Which is a completely acceptable action under pretty much every other circumstance.

If military acted this way in a war zone they'd end up court-martialed. This cop gets praised by some of you.

I still don't understand why it's so acceptable to many that police are allowed to be more aggressive towards citizens than military towards potential enemy combatants. But that's something nobody ever wants to address.

If your ego is so damn fragile, don't be a police officer.

JUST ROLL THE ****ING WINDOW DOWN

[SubGod22]

JUST ROLL THE ****ING WINDOW DOWN

JUST DON'T BE A TYRANNICAL ASSHOLE

It works both ways, but many ignore one side of it.

[Shockm]

JUST DON'T BE A TYRANNICAL ASSHOLE

It works both ways, but many ignore one side of it.

This is correct. You say for one side, and I say for the other. Towanda and other rural Kansas areas don’t equal Miami-Dade.

[Kung Wu]

JUST DON'T BE A TYRANNICAL ASSHOLE

Don't take that away from me. I'll have nothing left.

[WstateU]