Did you Get the COVID Vaccine

[Kung Wu]

At the same time, I have learned everything can be argued, practically nothing is certain, experts are almost always right, and we are never as smart as we think we are on subjects in which we are not educated or experienced.

So true. But which experts are right? The scientists studying a disease finding one thing, or the medical community treating the disease -- based purely on CDC advice -- which is advising the opposite?

[SubGod22]

So true. But which experts are right? The scientists studying a disease finding one thing, or the medical community treating the disease -- based purely on CDC advice -- which is advising the opposite?

Experts don't always agree. Then it just comes down to the experts you want to favor. We see it in government as well as other debates all of the time. There's never any way of knowing who is being fully honest with themselves and everyone else, and who is using the data to fit what they want to believe. Or only testing certain aspects to reach the conclusions they want. In some cases, it wouldn't be hard to manipulate either your inputs or outputs to get your desired results. And if there are a lot of like-minded people in your field, you can get away with it. We've seen some of that with the global warming hockey stick graph's that were oh so popular back in the day and are still used for some reason by some now, despite the fact that it was proven and admitted to that they used specific choice data to influence their desired results.

I'm not going to pretend to be an expert about this particular strain that originated in Wuhan and what has all gone into everything since, but as we're seeing here there are experts who are pretty much 180 degrees apart on how they see the best ways to proceed. Kung is honestly trying to collect as much information and data as he can and should be commended for that. Cold just ignores anything and everything that is outside of his narrow and established view on how everything should be and blindly follows a man who has had horrible stances within the medical community for decades and has admittedly not been completely honest with the public as well as following a CDC that will put out recommendations that counter what their own group of scientists conclude based on actual documented evidence.

Neither Fauci nor the CDC have done themselves any good when it comes to PR and public trust over the last couple of years and that's unfortunate as at some point they're going to be absolutely right about something based on hard evidence and facts and there's going to be tens of millions of people who won't trust them because they've broken that trust with how they've handled a number of things over the past two years.

Which is all why we should keep our eyes open to others and take in all research, no matter if the conclusions are what you want/hope or not and weigh it all together and figure out what works best for you and yours. Though that's the approach I try to take on most issues, though not all issues will get my time as there are only so many hours in a day and I don't want to spend them all researching every little thing.

[C0|dB|00ded]

Experts don't always agree. Then it just comes down to the experts you want to favor. We see it in government as well as other debates all of the time. There's never any way of knowing who is being fully honest with themselves and everyone else, and who is using the data to fit what they want to believe. Or only testing certain aspects to reach the conclusions they want. In some cases, it wouldn't be hard to manipulate either your inputs or outputs to get your desired results. And if there are a lot of like-minded people in your field, you can get away with it. We've seen some of that with the global warming hockey stick graph's that were oh so popular back in the day and are still used for some reason by some now, despite the fact that it was proven and admitted to that they used specific choice data to influence their desired results.

I'm not going to pretend to be an expert about this particular strain that originated in Wuhan and what has all gone into everything since, but as we're seeing here there are experts who are pretty much 180 degrees apart on how they see the best ways to proceed. Kung has been consistently contrarian to mainstream epidemiological best practices clinging tightly to hope and herd immunity prayers, while Cold has aligned himself with the greatest minds in the ID field, removing all personal bias - viewing the data as agnostic as possible. Cold has also been nearly 100% correct in his projections, opinions, and arguments.

Neither Fauci nor the CDC have done themselves any good when it comes to PR and public trust over the last couple of years and that's unfortunate as at some point they're going to be absolutely right about something based on hard evidence and facts and there's going to be tens of millions of people who won't trust them because they've broken that trust with how they've handled a number of things over the past two years.

Which is all why we should keep our eyes open to others and take in all research, no matter if the conclusions are what you want/hope or not and weigh it all together and figure out what works best for you and yours. Though that's the approach I try to take on most issues, though not all issues will get my time as there are only so many hours in a day and I don't want to spend them all researching every little thing.

**FIFY**

You almost got it right my brutha. ;)

[ShockerFever]

Sucks when everybody sees it except for the blind man.

[C0|dB|00ded]

Sucks when everybody sees it except for the blind man.

I wish I were more like the herd. And those who've met me wish they were more like me. Ultimately, nobody gets everything they wish in life.

But in the game we're playing... the game of logic, wisdom, and debate... I'm Michael Jordan my friend. And it ain't even close.

Carry on.

[MoValley John]

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You're a smart man. Samesies.

But I think you might be spending too much on bicycles. ;)

Don't pretend you're not a little jealous!

[C0|dB|00ded]

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Don't pretend you're not a little jealous!

I'm just happy to see that you're taking pressure off your prostate.

[ShockerFever]

I wish I were more like the herd. And those who've met me wish they were more like me. Ultimately, nobody gets everything they wish in life.

But in the game we're playing... the game of logic, wisdom, and debate... I'm Michael Jordan my friend. And it ain't even close.

Carry on.

I feel like I keep starting questions like this a lot to you now, but do you know how moronic you sound calling people “the herd” when the entire MSM and social media spheres that your mind has easily caved to are one, giant, homogeneous herd of groupthink?

You just don’t got it anymore. Ain’t it a shame?

[C0|dB|00ded]

I feel like I keep starting questions like this a lot to you now, but do you know how moronic you sound calling people “the herd” when the entire MSM and social media spheres that your mind has easily caved to are one, giant, homogeneous herd of groupthink?

You just don’t got it anymore. Ain’t it a shame?

Are you in a mood to be schooled? Do you truly seek intellectual enlightenment? If so, I will give you a task: research the term "mainstream media" (MSM). Find out its origins, who predominantly uses it and why. Then come back and tell me what you learned about sheep, shepherds, and propaganda.

Meanwhile... I'll be busy working.

[Rocky Mountain Shock]

I agree with you mostly. But what if the CDC experts hide important information that we need to have.

https://sharylattkisson.com/2021/10/...e-to-covid-19/

Sometimes conspiracy theories are true. The vast majority of the time they are not. But stuff like this is fun, right? There's some great Adam Sandler movies where some down and out guy proves all the know it all elite folks wrong. Sometimes, conspiracy theories give us comfort in an uncertain world where things seem completely out of our control. Conspiracy theories also give us a sense of power, a tidbit of "knowledge" that makes us feel we possess something others don't. The world is changing too fast, and conspiracy theories fill a void in folks who understandably feel like they're getting left behind.

When it comes to science, I tend to believe the scientific consensus. When the vast majority of the scientific community is saying one thing but a link to a sketchy website says something different, I'm going to go ahead and stick with the consensus until there's better info. We all need to have some healthy skepticism, but there's also such a thing as unhealthy skepticism. Common sense tends to indicate the dividing line between the two.

[C0|dB|00ded]

Sometimes conspiracy theories are true. The vast majority of the time they are not. But stuff like this is fun, right? There's some great Adam Sandler movies where some down and out guy proves all the know it all elite folks wrong. Sometimes, conspiracy theories give us comfort in an uncertain world where things seem completely out of our control. Conspiracy theories also give us a sense of power, a tidbit of "knowledge" that makes us feel we possess something others don't. The world is changing too fast, and conspiracy theories fill a void in folks who understandably feel like they're getting left behind.

When it comes to science, I tend to believe the scientific consensus. When the vast majority of the scientific community is saying one thing but a link to a sketchy website says something different, I'm going to go ahead and stick with the consensus until there's better info. We all need to have some healthy skepticism, but there's also such a thing as unhealthy skepticism. Common sense tends to indicate the dividing line between the two.

You're slaughtering people right now and you might not even know it. Spare the women and children.

[ShockerFever]

Are you in a mood to be schooled? Do you truly seek intellectual enlightenment? If so, I will give you a task: research the term "mainstream media" (MSM). Find out its origins, who predominantly uses it and why. Then come back and tell me what you learned about sheep, shepherds, and propaganda.

Meanwhile... I'll be busy working.

Deflection is the name of your game now. Especially when you lose. Weak ass ****.

[ShockerFever]

Btw, 31-4 on the ol scoreboard. lol

[Rocky Mountain Shock]

So true. But which experts are right? The scientists studying a disease finding one thing, or the medical community treating the disease -- based purely on CDC advice -- which is advising the opposite?

Fair question. Again, there's arguments for and against everything. Nothing is cut and dried, but I think there's a lot of people out there that need something more concrete because the world seems so out of control right now. But unfortunately, that uncertainty is really how science works; debate amongst peers until there seems to be a consensus, and then following that consensus until better information comes along. Sometimes this is a messy process. This is why one day we hear eggs will kill us and the next day we hear we should eat an egg every day.

Confirmation bias is running rampant in our society these days. So we hear one or two experts say something that agrees with what we already believe, and we ignore the multitudes of other experts who say something completely different. Before everyone was an armchair epidemiologist everyone was an armchair climatologist, and you'd see climate change deniers give a lot of cred to reports, papers, and scientists who bucked the consensus. We absolutely need to listen to those few voices coming from the back of the room, and they have valid points that should be considered in the debate. But if we're going to "trust the science," then we need to trust the consensus.

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Btw, 31-4 on the ol scoreboard. lol

LoLwut the fk does scoreboard mean? I am well aware that the vast majority of contributors to the Shockernet Covid threads are Covidiots, who've been vaccinated, yet still regurgitate anti-vax propaganda - ignoring their efficacy in the community at large while hyping horse antiparasitics. Do you know how especially ignorant you must be to have publicly taken that stance? It's a hybrid between deluded and retard. I believe I will call them delutards if that's okay with you. Anti-vax Covidiot Delutards (who've been vaxxed).