WBB Home Stand vs ILS, INS, UNI and BU

[oldtimewomen's hoopcoach]

I was interviewed by a woman at the mens indiana state as to whether I went to the womens bb games as well. I told her I had gone to some in the past years but just was not a fan. I went today and I hope someone that also went will tell me what I saw was a not a normal womens bb game. Lots of dribble penetration to the basket by both teams to shoot a layup. Little help defense and lots of one arm rebounding. This was not a pretty game but if that is what womens bb is I guess I'm still not a fan. As I said its my first game in a while so if that is not the way the game is played I may give it another shot.

You picked the worst game of the season to watch. The 10-0 conference leading Shox laid an egg to go 10-1. They are still two up in first place over Creighton. The Shox are ranked in the top 10 in the country in defense, so you saw a team I didn't recognize. We were outplayed and out coached.

[pogo]

You picked the worst game of the season to watch. The 10-0 conference leading Shox laid an egg to go 10-1. They are still two up in first place over Creighton. The Shox are ranked in the top 10 in the country in defense, so you saw a team I didn't recognize. We were outplayed and out coached.

I was just wondering since my exposure was only a "snapshot" of the season so I guess If I only saw the mens siu loss I wouldn't have a true picture of what the mens team was about. I'll probably go to the next game and hope its better.

[1972Shocker]

There is no doubt that the men's games and women's games are totally different animals. Once you accept that it is pretty much a totally different sport than you have won half the battle.

The Shocks simply did not show up today. I mentioned I was concerned about this game going in. You could kind of sense that the Shocks were ready for a let down. One problem with one dimensional teams like the Shocks who rely so heavily on their defense is that when that dimension is not really functioning they have nowhere to turn. This Shocker tieam will simply not win many games in which they give up 75 points.

Shocks were helped by Creighton fallling to Illinois State in Normal to maintain their 2-game lead, but the Shocks had a chance to really make this their race and perhaps make the final three games @ILS, @INS and @MSU irrelevant. That opportunity was pretty much lost today. Shocks still control their own destiny but getting blown-out by a 3-7 Bradley team at home is not a good sign.

[oldtimewomen's hoopcoach]

There is no doubt that the men's games and women's games are totally different animals. Once you accept that it is pretty much a totally different sport than you have won half the battle.

The Shocks simply did not show up today. I mentioned I was concerned about this game going in. You could kind of sense that the Shocks were ready for a let down. One problem with one dimensional teams like the Shocks who rely so heavily on their defense is that when that dimension is not really functioning they have nowhere to turn. This Shocker tieam will simply not win many games in which they give up 75 points.

Shocks were helped by Creighton fallling to Illinois State in Normal to maintain their 2-game lead, but the Shocks had a chance to really make this their race and perhaps make the final three games @ILS, @INS and @MSU irrelevant. That opportunity was pretty much lost today. Shocks still control their own destiny but getting blown-out by a 3-7 Bradley team at home is not a good sign.

I read the game report on-line tonight in the Eagle and read Jody's pattern as she doesn't take ownership for this loss, she talks about some individuals only having one foot in an one foot out. I hope she doesn't do her mind games like last year. The Shox just need a good couple of days of practice and a blow-out win Thursday before heading to Creighton.

[flyingMoose]

We were outplayed and out coached.

Bradley played little almost the entire game (only fourteen minutes of six foot and better versus forty-six minutes in the previous game), and thus we had serious quickness matchup problems. As a result, Kelsey and Michelle did not play much (eight and three minutes). In the middle of the second half, they discovered a three-man game that gave Michaela fits and really started pulling away. We only had two baskets the last eleven minutes.

They started with a press in an attempt to speed up the game (and avoid the 62-58 slog of our first matchup). Curiously, we pressed also, and ran and shot with them for the early part of the game. But we shot only so-so on the whole game (36.7%) and the Braves with their dribble penetration shot 48.4% for the game. And with the dribble penetration, there was not much of the defensive havoc we normally create on the perimeter.

Bradley had a great game plan and executed it very well.

[1972Shocker]

Bradley played little almost the entire game (only fourteen minutes of six foot and better versus forty-six minutes in the previous game), and thus we had serious quickness matchup problems. As a result, Kelsey and Michelle did not play much (eight and three minutes). In the middle of the second half, they discovered a three-man game that gave Michaela fits and really started pulling away. We only had two baskets the last eleven minutes.

They started with a press in an attempt to speed up the game (and avoid the 62-58 slog of our first matchup). Curiously, we pressed also, and ran and shot with them for the early part of the game. But we shot only so-so on the whole game (36.7%) and the Braves with their dribble penetration shot 48.4% for the game. And with the dribble penetration, there was not much of the defensive havoc we normally create on the perimeter.

Bradley had a great game plan and executed it very well.

Good analysis @flyingMoose. Apparently, we did not have much in the tool kit to throw at Bradley to change things up and give them something to think about like perhaps a zone look every now and again. I think we stuck pretty stubbornly to our M-t-M defense the entire way. Many not have mattered. Could be we have no such tool in the kit to even fall back on as a change of pace.

[oldtimewomen's hoopcoach]

Good analysis @flyingMoose. Apparently, we did not have much in the tool kit to throw at Bradley to change things up and give them something to think about like perhaps a zone look every now and again. I think we stuck pretty stubbornly to our M-t-M defense the entire way. Many not have mattered. Could be we have no such tool in the kit to even fall back on as a change of pace.

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Good comments by both madhat and 1972. Very stubborn coaching; no change in the plan and blame the players in post game comments. I hope this is a fluke and as Jody guarantees, our team will be back. Jody is currently very high on Dap, but this game showed her lack of quickness and size is a liability.

[oldtimewomen's hoopcoach]

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Good comments by both madhat and 1972. Very stubborn coaching; no change in the plan and blame the players in post game comments. I hope this is a fluke and as Jody guarantees, our team will be back. Jody is currently very high on Dap, but this game showed her lack of quickness and size is a liability.

Sorry meant Flying moose. You deserve credit for great comments.

[flyingMoose]

I'll stick this note on this thread.

Graham Hays' ESPN blog on mid-majors focuses on Sarah Nelson of Creighton. The post is a week-old tomorrow.

[Spaulding1977]

Hi, guys - long time listener, first time caller.

Question for you all: late in the 1st half of the Bradley game, we had only two fouls. Katie Yohn was scoring at will. Why didn't the coaches instruct our kids to hammer her a** every time she touched the ball? Nothing against Yohn, and I'm only advocating hard play, nothing malevolent, but why not?

[oldtimewomen's hoopcoach]

Hi, guys - long time listener, first time caller.

Question for you all: late in the 1st half of the Bradley game, we had only two fouls. Katie Yohn was scoring at will. Why didn't the coaches instruct our kids to hammer her a** every time she touched the ball? Nothing against Yohn, and I'm only advocating hard play, nothing malevolent, but why not?

Many years ago both when I played and coached we always said, nobody scores in the paint. The will have to beat us at the line. Good point. Michelle and Kelsey both could have altered shots or fouled, but they were benched.

[flyingMoose]

Michelle and Kelsey both could have altered shots or fouled, but they were benched.

I demur. Neither of them are quick enough to chase someone into the paint and hammer them, emphasis on the chase. That is why they were on the bench mostly.

HCJA may have done the best she could given the matchup issues. Jazimen, Chynna and Michaela, our quickest interior people played the 4/5. The matchups caused us to play Bugg a lot, so offensively we basically give up one whole spot on the court when we really can't afford it. Maybe if we don't switch on the ball screens, I don't know. Bradley not executing so well would have helped a lot, that I do know.

[oldtimewomen's hoopcoach]

I demur. Neither of them are quick enough to chase someone into the paint and hammer them, emphasis on the chase. That is why they were on the bench mostly.

HCJA may have done the best she could given the matchup issues. Jazimen, Chynna and Michaela, our quickest interior people played the 4/5. The matchups caused us to play Bugg a lot, so offensively we basically give up one whole spot on the court when we really can't afford it. Maybe if we don't switch on the ball screens, I don't know. Bradley not executing so well would have helped a lot, that I do know.

The Shox rely a great deal on help D, so having a big inside to help, may have been good. Michaela gets beat on D consistently and is very slow of foot and her teammates have to cover for her. She is playing as well as I believe she can and is making a nice contribution. Kelsey is not the same after she tore the tendon off of her ankle a couple of weeks ago and with a deep bone bruise, she is struggling. I don't know the story on Michelle.

[flyingMoose]

The Shox rely a great deal on help D, so having a big inside to help, may have been good.

My point, which I admittedly did not make well, was that with the offensive approach Bradley was using, there would often not be a big inside. If we don't switch on ball screens, maybe we keep Michaela off a quicker player. At least some of the time, we did have help defense after the dribble penetration, but they were able to kick it out to an open player or dump it down to an open player under the bucket. And maybe if we go to '72's zone, we stop some of the dribble penetration. But see following paragraph.

The other thing to note I think is this game was in question until at least midway through the second half. Then the game got away from us real fast. Bradley stretched the lead a little, their confidence and defensive intensity picked up, and the game was soon over with for all intents and purposes.

And I should also point out how easy it is to coach and play sitting in the stands. :) And that the above "analysis" may be heavily influenced by selective memory.

[oldtimewomen's hoopcoach]

My point, which I admittedly did not make well, was that with the offensive approach Bradley was using, there would often not be a big inside. If we don't switch on ball screens, maybe we keep Michaela off a quicker player. At least some of the time, we did have help defense after the dribble penetration, but they were able to kick it out to an open player or dump it down to an open player under the bucket. And maybe if we go to '72's zone, we stop some of the dribble penetration. But see following paragraph.

The other thing to note I think is this game was in question until at least midway through the second half. Then the game got away from us real fast. Bradley stretched the lead a little, their confidence and defensive intensity picked up, and the game was soon over with for all intents and purposes.

And I should also point out how easy it is to coach and play sitting in the stands. :) And that the above "analysis" may be heavily influenced by selective memory.

Well stated. And yes, I believe I'm 800-0 coaching from the bleachers. http://shockernet.net/forum/images/icons/icon11.png