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**wufan** · July 26, 2014, 06:44 AM

Good stuff! This should be stickies for the next 8 months.

**1979Shocker** · July 26, 2014, 11:15 AM

Originally posted by wufan View Post

Good stuff! This should be stickies for the next 8 months.

The 2012 Recruiting Summary and the Signings and Verbals threads can probably be unstickied.

**1972Shocker** · July 26, 2014, 04:54 PM

November 12th is not all that far off.

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**Bluzrover** · July 27, 2014, 04:30 PM

That's quite a list. There is some real talent in there and I'm having a hard time picking out who I covet most. It's not as obvious as replacing the two guys leaving, Tekele and Darius (and possibly Ron), as their replacements may already be sitting on the bench or practicing with the team now.

I'm hopeful Henderson turns out to be our next PG so perhaps I'm looking for Beasley or Milton as a guy to come in behind Ron. And I've always liked what I've read about Purifoy. Or perhaps Blackshear? Good grief, what a great position to be in!

**WSUwatcher** · August 6, 2014, 08:37 AM

Now that Eric Hamilton is expected to be a member of WSU's 2015 class, that fills one spot (and does so very nicely); it also reduces the need for another big.

History suggests that there's always an extra spot (or more) by the time the last signing day rolls around. I suspect that as a result the Shocks are likely to add (at least?) two more after Hamilton, and as someone said in his thread I'll bet Dean Wade, even at his size, would be one if that match can be made. They certainly need at least one wing or SG, though, out of the numerous talented guys in whom they're interested.

**ShockTalk** · August 6, 2014, 09:38 AM

Originally posted by WSUwatcher View Post

Now that Eric Hamilton is expected to be a member of WSU's 2015 class, that fills one spot (and does so very nicely); it also reduces the need for another big.

History suggests that there's always an extra spot (or more) by the time the last signing day rolls around. I suspect that as a result the Shocks are likely to add (at least?) two more after Hamilton, and as someone said in his thread I'll bet Dean Wade, even at his size, would be one if that match can be made. They certainly need at least one wing or SG, though, out of the numerous talented guys in whom they're interested.

Assuming 2 spots are open, the biggest questions the staff may consider in who fills those spots could be 1) If needed, how well can Brown handle the SG on both sides of the ball, 2) How fast do they believe Henderson and Holland can take over the reins, 3) Do they expect Walker to become more than a walk-on. If the answer to these questions is "not so much", don't look for another big man in 2015. Now, if they feel Baker (and FVV) will be here for his senior year, that changes who they might go after hardest. Of course, if Baker is likely to leave after this season AND they feel there's a fair possibility FVV will as well, they will have to go after PG, SG, and/or CG.

I also noticed that Sky Williams is not on the updated roster.

**WSUwatcher** · August 6, 2014, 11:10 AM

Given his size, and notwithstanding his excellence as a player and leader -- did you see how he rated in the CBS "Candid coaches" survey? Very, very impressive -- the chance of FVV leaving early or having an opportunity to do so is almost nonexistent. So that isn't likely to be an opening or a spot they need to recruit right away, and having Fred back for another year plus Henderson (and Holland if he shows he can play the position) may even make it harder to attract a pure PG. Someone like Dazon Ingram, the 6-5 PG/CG from Alabama, might be a better candidate for a 2015 guard recruit.

**wufan** · August 6, 2014, 12:50 PM

Danjel Purifoy is one to watch as well as Ingram for a potential fall commitment.

**ShockTalk** · August 6, 2014, 03:10 PM

Originally posted by WSUwatcher View Post

Given his size, and notwithstanding his excellence as a player and leader -- did you see how he rated in the CBS "Candid coaches" survey? Very, very impressive -- the chance of FVV leaving early or having an opportunity to do so is almost nonexistent. So that isn't likely to be an opening or a spot they need to recruit right away, and having Fred back for another year plus Henderson (and Holland if he shows he can play the position) may even make it harder to attract a pure PG. Someone like Dazon Ingram, the 6-5 PG/CG from Alabama, might be a better candidate for a 2015 guard recruit.

Just for argument's, I can understand a very good PG prospect maybe not wanting to come in if FVV will be here for his senior year due to a lack of playing time. On the other hand, a smart PG (like a FVV-type) could also see the value in having FVV here his freshman season (see Armstead/FVV/Final 4).

Yes, there are potentially 2 players in the wings to take FVV place. However, right now, they are just that....potentially. Neither have seen D-I action and I can't imagine any top PG prospect being awed by that. Frankly, if that top PG prospect doesn't believe he can beat 2 unheralded and unproven players out, I'm guessing it's mutual on my part as I maybe don't want him either.

I want to be sure I understood you right. Fred's size aside, are you saying that his excellence as a player and leader and how very, very, impressive he is among coaches = the chance of FVV leaving early or having an opportunity to do so is almost nonexistent? Or is it strictly his size keeping Fred here because all those other great and impressive traits are not enough to out weigh that size?

**wufan** · August 6, 2014, 06:15 PM

FVVs size and non-elite level athleticism will keep him from leaving early.

**ShockTalk** · August 6, 2014, 08:24 PM

Originally posted by wufan View Post

FVVs size and non-elite level athleticism will keep him from leaving early.

@wufan:, I agree with you and @WSUwatcher:, but I will hedge that comment by saying that also depends on what this season brings. If we have a very good season, win 25+ games, the Valley, and win a couple at the Dance, I'll agree. If we go...say...30-3 through the Valley tourney and make the F4 or better, all bets are off.

**WSUwatcher** · August 8, 2014, 07:56 AM

I believe wufan is correct.

That's not to doubt that FVV has a potential NBA future because of his skills, basketball IQ, competitiveness, and leadership -- in fact, I think he very well might. But smart guys don't leave school early unless they're pretty much a lock to be first rounders. (Lots of people do, obviously; but not the smart ones, a group that unquestionably includes FVV -- you'd have to look a long time to find a player smarter and more level-headed.) And size and athleticism will prevent FVV from being a slam-dunk first rounder after this coming season.

Having said that, I believe ShockTalk's points about guys getting scared off are well taken. You want -- and I believe Marshall wants -- players who want to come in, compete, and learn from their older teammates, and not those who can be scared off by that type of situation.

**Ricardo del Rio** · August 17, 2014, 06:42 PM

It seems that Coach Marshall and staff are in overdrive with respect to player contacts and offers.

I do not remember Coach Turgeon ever being as active and aggressive as Coach Marshall is in recruiting.

Am I right or have I run off the road and into the ditch again?

**wufan** · August 17, 2014, 06:51 PM

Originally posted by Ricardo del Rio View Post

It seems that Coach Marshall and staff are in overdrive with respect to player contacts and offers.

I do not remember Coach Turgeon ever being as active and aggressive as Coach Marshall is in recruiting.

Am I right or have I run off the road and into the ditch again?

Two things:

One is that WSU and Gregg Marshall are more high profile now then they were under Turgeon. As such, there is much more reporting on the happenings of our recruiting.

Two is that our high profile has allowed us to recruit higher profile recruits which have a large amount of coverage.

Add in Twitter and the actions of our staff are far more visible than they were 5-10 years ago.

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