Zack Bush

[SubGod22]

I'm not sure of all the rules, but would not getting his release prevent him from getting any kind of financial aid through WSU this year? If so, that would be the issue.

[Ta town]

Without release can he actually practice/workout with team this year?

[ShockTalk]

Without release can he actually practice/workout with team this year?

That's the catch I was thinking is in order. Zach actually doesn't mind walking-on, paying his own way, or red-shirting at a D-I school (WSU), but without the release, he may not be able to practice with the team.

[SpanglerFan316]

He could go to a JC for a year and then transfer to WSU if Washburn continues to be vindictive.

[Kung Wu]

binding LOI.

Oxymoron.

[WuDrWu]

Awesome! I was just starting to wonder if we would really have much in the way of local walk ons. I have a soft spot for that sort of thing.

Totally agree. LOVE having these kids WANTING to come here. You just have to want this young man to enjoy his experience and get a chance at some point.

[Dave Stalwart]

I apologize for not knowing anything, but I want to make sure I have my head wrapped around this.

I follow that he needs to be allowed out of his WU commitment, and I follow that regardless, he can probably still be here as a walkon/redshirt. I also think I follow that we still need to answer if he would be able to practice. I think I get it so far.

My questions are these: 1. Is it even possible that WU might actually not let him out or are they just posturing to please fans or get him to change his mind? ...and 2. If they don't let him out and the worst case scenario happens where he can only walkon and redshirt while not being allowed to even practice, is there a chance he might change his mind back to WU or is he still going to go through with it?

The reason I ask is because I gather that there are people on this thread who know him from comments earlier, so I am just trying to understand where he would be at with this situation.

[Kung Wu]

I apologize for not knowing anything, but I want to make sure I have my head wrapped around this.

I follow that he needs to be allowed out of his WU commitment, and I follow that regardless, he can probably still be here as a walkon/redshirt. I also think I follow that we still need to answer if he would be able to practice. I think I get it so far.

My questions are these: 1. Is it even possible that WU might actually not let him out or are they just posturing to please fans or get him to change his mind? ...and 2. If they don't let him out and the worst case scenario happens where he can only walkon and redshirt while not being allowed to even practice, is there a chance he might change his mind back to WU or is he still going to go through with it?

The reason I ask is because I gather that there are people on this thread who know him from comments earlier, so I am just trying to understand where he would be at with this situation.

He'd be able to practice even in the worst case scenario, wouldn't he?

[pinstripers]

Not positive, but I doubt it.

[ShockTalk]

He'd be able to practice even in the worst case scenario, wouldn't he?

I don't think so. We have no schollies left (might be an assumption on my part), so he's a walk-on and, he won't see any playing time, so he may as well just RS. If those are true, there would be no problem and he wouldn't need a release. Since he needs the release, I'm assuming he cannot practice with the team without it.

[Kung Wu]

I don't think so. We have no schollies left (might be an assumption on my part), so he's a walk-on and, he won't see any playing time, so he may as well just RS. If those are true, there would be no problem and he wouldn't need a release. Since he needs the release, I'm assuming he cannot practice with the team without it.

I don't quite follow this, but I was under the assumption that if he' s not given a release, he loses a year and effectively takes a redshirt?

I know that he can practice at the new institution and can even take athletic financial aid. He just loses a year and has to be at the new institution for one year before he can play. It's not clear to me if the year lost means he has 4 years to play 4. Or if he now has 4 years to play 3. In other words is the year lost one of the 5 years he has to play 4? Or is it one of his playable years he has lost?

Edit: I do understand you are saying that he won't be receiving a schollie so that point is moot, and I completely agree. But the question was, can he practice? And the answer is yes. The remaining question is how many years can he now _play_? Does he use a year of _eligibility_ or does he lose a year of _play_?

[tropicalshox]

I'm sure Joe Mitchell would of lost a year of eligibility if Ohio didn't release.

[SpanglerFan316]

I don't quite follow this, but I was under the assumption that if he' s not given a release, he loses a year and effectively takes a redshirt?

I know that he can practice at the new institution and can even take athletic financial aid. He just loses a year and has to be at the new institution for one year before he can play. It's not clear to me if the year lost means he has 4 years to play 4. Or if he now has 4 years to play 3. In other words is the year lost one of the 5 years he has to play 4? Or is it one of his playable years he has lost?

Edit: I do understand you are saying that he won't be receiving a schollie so that point is moot, and I completely agree. But the question was, can he practice? And the answer is yes. The remaining question is how many years can he now _play_? Does he use a year of _eligibility_ or does he lose a year of _play_?

This is why I mentioned the JUCO route. If he is not released, goes JUCO for one year and does not play, he would have four more years of playing time at WSU available to him.

[ShockTalk]

I don't quite follow this, but I was under the assumption that if he' s not given a release, he loses a year and effectively takes a redshirt?

I know that he can practice at the new institution and can even take athletic financial aid. He just loses a year and has to be at the new institution for one year before he can play. It's not clear to me if the year lost means he has 4 years to play 4. Or if he now has 4 years to play 3. In other words is the year lost one of the 5 years he has to play 4? Or is it one of his playable years he has lost?

Edit: I do understand you are saying that he won't be receiving a schollie so that point is moot, and I completely agree. But the question was, can he practice? And the answer is yes. The remaining question is how many years can he now _play_? Does he use a year of _eligibility_ or does he lose a year of _play_?

OK. As I get older, that which is in front of my nose seems to get harder to see, so let me make two examples for discussion:

1) A player signs a NLI to go to school A. Before school starts, the player decides he no longer wants to go to school A and wants to be at school B. School A gives the player a release. The player can go to school B, recieve a basketball scholarship, and practice with the team, however, he must sit out or red-shirt that first year. That leaves him 4 years to get in his 4 years of eligibility.

2) Same start as #1. School B does not give the player a release. The player can go to school B, but, again not play that first year and definitely loses one year of the 5 to complete his eligibilty (at minimum, leaving 4 years to play 4 and making it the same as in #1). Now comes all the parts I've tried to find in NCAA guidelines. Does the player also lose 1 year to play? If so, does going Juco for one year, still leave him his 3 years (although he would probably have only 3 years to play 3 left). Since the player has signed the NLI and no release given, he still has contractual basketball aid in force at school A, so, can he have contractual basketball aid at school B at the same time? If he has viable/contractual basketball aid at school A, is he bound to school A for basketball that year, not allowed to even practice at school B?

[ShockTalk]

This is why I mentioned the JUCO route. If he is not released, goes JUCO for one year and does not play, he would have four more years of playing time at WSU available to him.

When you say, "does not play", do you mean RS or not join the Juco team at all? Why would a Juco give a schollie for a RS who would never play for them (he'd be leaving after his RS year)?