Keith DeWitt released from USM

[SubGod22]

Those that don't like it that the young man may come to WSU, would it make a difference if the agenda is being pushed exclusively by the young man? Perhaps all the WSU coaches have told him that he should stick with his commitment to USM. BUT, if the young man does not want to stay at USM, then are we really going to deny him an opportunity to play where he wants? He certainly does not owe an explanation of his actions to satisfy shockernet's arbitrary recruiting ethics, does he?

As I've said before, very few coaches/schools do this. Even Huggy refused to take kids with him when he left KSU. I hate seeing that 3G and Wichita State appear likely to join the very few in doing this.

[moshock]

So what would this situation look like in the workplace:

Super Boss works at a Bank and has a great employee that is a hard worker and exceptional at their job. When Super Boss takes a new job as Vice President of a new bank, Super Boss gets in contact with said employee and offers them a job. Employee agrees and comes aboard because the new job is a better situation for them. Right or wrong?

I agree with this and would take it one step further. My banker changed jobs and moved to another bank recently. He didn't call and ask me to go with him but I had such a great relationship with him that I found him and followed him to our new bank.

Non of us SN'ers have any idea what kind of relationship GH and KD have but if he transfers to WSU it's obvious that Keith and his family are close to GH. If this young man wants to play for GH, he should be able to.

I really doubt that we are actively recruiting him while he is still locked into his LOI. This is Keith and his family's decision and no one else.

When Gene took the OU job for a day, he and BK were on the phone to several of the WSU recruits trying to take them to OU with them. Just sayin.....

NCAA sports are highly competitive business'. There are alot of things that go on in the business world that are cut throat and I don't care for but the bottom line is it's not illegal.

IMO, Southern Miss would cut our throats in a New York minute (sorry Maggie). Not saying I agree with this but it is what it is.

:wsu_posters:

[wusphlash]

There are valid points on both sides of liking or not liking the situation (which has not happened yet by the way). It's a personal decision. Bottom line is Gregg still runs a class program and there are far worse things being done by other coaches and schools. If this is what happens and Gregg thinks it's best for the program, I am behind it 100%.

[wushock]

Wichita State cannot have contact with him. He has to ask for his release and then contact WSU to see if they are interested, otherwise, it is a recruiting violation

[Overtime]

I like being the bat more than being the ball

[SubGod22]

I like being the bat more than being the ball

It stinks either way.

[SpanglerFan316]

Wichita State cannot have contact with him. He has to ask for his release and then contact WSU to see if they are interested, otherwise, it is a recruiting violation

I'm sure the WSU coaching staff follows all NCAA rules to the letter. (The Hannah problem was not Marshall's fault.)

[shocker22]

I like being the bat more than being the ball

It stinks either way.

It's a cut throat world. Kill or be killed...your choice.

[SubGod22]

I like being the bat more than being the ball

It stinks either way.

It's a cut throat world. Kill or be killed...your choice.

And yet, very, very few schools practice this kind of thing. Try and justify it all you want, it's a disgusting move.

[NCAABound]

Those that don't like it that the young man may come to WSU, would it make a difference if the agenda is being pushed exclusively by the young man? Perhaps all the WSU coaches have told him that he should stick with his commitment to USM. BUT, if the young man does not want to stay at USM, then are we really going to deny him an opportunity to play where he wants? He certainly does not owe an explanation of his actions to satisfy shockernet's arbitrary recruiting ethics, does he?

As I've said before, very few coaches/schools do this. Even Huggy refused to take kids with him when he left KSU. I hate seeing that 3G and Wichita State appear likely to join the very few in doing this.

Sub - I think you comparing two different situations. When a head coach leaves, he takes his coaching staff and potentially players. That's when a school feels gutted. I don't think it's the same if an assistant leaves. USM still has their head coach.

Oh, and Huggins did do this when he was hired at K-State. He brought in Dalonte Hill who took "his" recruits to K-State from Charlotte.

[SubGod22]

Those that don't like it that the young man may come to WSU, would it make a difference if the agenda is being pushed exclusively by the young man? Perhaps all the WSU coaches have told him that he should stick with his commitment to USM. BUT, if the young man does not want to stay at USM, then are we really going to deny him an opportunity to play where he wants? He certainly does not owe an explanation of his actions to satisfy shockernet's arbitrary recruiting ethics, does he?

As I've said before, very few coaches/schools do this. Even Huggy refused to take kids with him when he left KSU. I hate seeing that 3G and Wichita State appear likely to join the very few in doing this.

Sub - I think you comparing two different situations. When a head coach leaves, he takes his coaching staff and potentially players. That's when a school feels gutted. I don't think it's the same if an assistant leaves. USM still has their head coach.

Oh, and Huggins did do this when he was hired at K-State. He brought in Dalonte Hill who took "his" recruits to K-State from Charlotte.

I don't care if it's a HC or AC. I don't like it. I knew Hill had contacts, didn't realize he took a signed recruit with him.

[RoyalShock]

I left my last job because my boss, who made working there enjoyable, was scapegoated and let go. A little different situation but it was that relationship that made it work.

These kids develop relationships with the coaches during the recruiting process. It's the relationships with coaches and the feel they get from interaction with current players that have the most significant impact on their school choice. Maybe it's different at the Duke/UNC/KU'/UK level where the school's brand is significant.

And I know there are other things that go into it, but outside of the very elite level, here is my guess at the pecking order for things a recruit looks at:

1. Player has idea of what level his game fits.
2. Gets an idea of what conference(s) that is.
3. Establishes rappoire with coaches and staffs.
4. Sets up visits based on previous critieria
5. Sees how he relates to current players
6. Looks at school, location and fans

Yes, there will be a number of kids who don't fit that model when being recruited. Location (close or far from home), academic programs and off-campus activities may factor in more. But I bet the vast majority of players fit reasonably close.

I guess I"m just saying that the more I understand how important relationships are in the recruiting process, the more I'm beginning to accept that things like the potential Dewitt scenario are going to happen.

The thing that bugs me about Bowles is that he based his commitment on Turgeon (if you recall the story, he committed without visiting, once MT was in his living room) but once he thought he was better than WSU, he was ready to bolt, until Turgeon left. If I was MT, I would have been too insulted to take him at aTm.

[shockersince71]

To show the pictures or to not show the pictures.....
My SASO dollars only give me the right to see what
those who's job it really is, to decide what I see.
So, as a rabid fan of MY school, I support 3G in whatever HE decides. He wants whats best for him and WSU and thats what we all want too. Of course this is just my opinion and everyone has the right to theirs.

[RoyalShock]

I think a big reason why this doesn't happen more is that when a coach moves on, either the coach no longer feels the player is the caliber he needs at his new destination or the player thinks he's better than where the coaching is going or it isn't a good fit. See my previous post.

Look at how Bowles was used by Turgeon at aTm. I don't think MT thought he was quite good enough for aTm. I suspect those coaches who do move on and tell their recruits to honor their commitment are really just being diplomatic. If they thought the player(s) was good enough, they would take them.

If more coaches made lateral moves, this practice would be rampant, I think.

[The Mad Hatter]

Just out of curiosity, does anyone know whether DeWitt was recruited to Chipola by Haier before he was hired at Southern Miss?