Nicholls State Game Thread

[SHOXAAC]

GODShoxMVCGOD :roll:

Sorry, just returned from my time machine...did I miss anything?
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[vancedave56]

The flux-capacitor is what makes time travel possible. :D

[ShockTalk]

hmmm?

I didn't get to watch the first half; however during the second half 'The Bruce' and 'The Craig' both commented about our motion offense. They said it was either 'a work of art' or 'poetry in motion'? I know, just a couple of front row commentators opinions. I actually thought it looked pretty good. Not sure about ‘The Bruce’, but I’m confident ‘The Craig’ knows a little bit more about basketball than me. Just sayin'...

Just got back home and saw your reply.

Again, discounting the NSU's foul on Rags as the shot clock ran out (worth 2 points) and Hatch's last second moon launch (worth 3 points), the Shocks scored 29 points in the second half. If that is "a work of art" or "poetry in motion" against an OK team of munchkins, then we're in deep trouble. Just sayin'.

Also, I know I wouldn't believe "The Bruce" and I'm not confident about "The Craig" and what he'd say either.

[SHOXAAC]

Yea...I would have been gone longer but my DeLorean DMC-12 just doesn't run as smooth on the current plutonium that's available these days.
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[AndShock]

hmmm?

I didn't get to watch the first half; however during the second half 'The Bruce' and 'The Craig' both commented about our motion offense. They said it was either 'a work of art' or 'poetry in motion'? I know, just a couple of front row commentators opinions. I actually thought it looked pretty good. Not sure about ‘The Bruce’, but I’m confident ‘The Craig’ knows a little bit more about basketball than me. Just sayin'...

Just got back home and saw your reply.

Again, discounting the NSU's foul on Rags as the shot clock ran out (worth 2 points) and Hatch's last second moon launch (worth 3 points), the Shocks scored 29 points in the second half. If that is "a work of art" or "poetry in motion" against an OK team of munchkins, then we're in deep trouble. Just sayin'.

If anything, that should at least indicate we were working the shot clock. I wouldn't say it was "a work of art" but I definitely don't think our offense was/is terrible. I also don't really think these buy games are worth much in terms of gauging team production.

[ShockTalk]

hmmm?

I didn't get to watch the first half; however during the second half 'The Bruce' and 'The Craig' both commented about our motion offense. They said it was either 'a work of art' or 'poetry in motion'? I know, just a couple of front row commentators opinions. I actually thought it looked pretty good. Not sure about ‘The Bruce’, but I’m confident ‘The Craig’ knows a little bit more about basketball than me. Just sayin'...

Just got back home and saw your reply.

Again, discounting the NSU's foul on Rags as the shot clock ran out (worth 2 points) and Hatch's last second moon launch (worth 3 points), the Shocks scored 29 points in the second half. If that is "a work of art" or "poetry in motion" against an OK team of munchkins, then we're in deep trouble. Just sayin'.

If anything, that should at least indicate we were working the shot clock. I wouldn't say it was "a work of art" but I definitely don't think our offense was/is terrible. I also don't really think these buy games are worth much in terms of gauging team production.

Point 1: Was this our choice and, if so, why? (Given your 3rd point)

Point 2: Agreed. Our offense is not terrible. However, last night, it was just average at best, below average given who we were playing.

Point 3: Could be true. However, NSU would win its share of games this year if they were in the Valley. And since they beat LSU (there) and LSU is probably better the Tulsa, just how many more opportunities do we have that will be better gages?

[AndShock]

hmmm?

I didn't get to watch the first half; however during the second half 'The Bruce' and 'The Craig' both commented about our motion offense. They said it was either 'a work of art' or 'poetry in motion'? I know, just a couple of front row commentators opinions. I actually thought it looked pretty good. Not sure about ‘The Bruce’, but I’m confident ‘The Craig’ knows a little bit more about basketball than me. Just sayin'...

Just got back home and saw your reply.

Again, discounting the NSU's foul on Rags as the shot clock ran out (worth 2 points) and Hatch's last second moon launch (worth 3 points), the Shocks scored 29 points in the second half. If that is "a work of art" or "poetry in motion" against an OK team of munchkins, then we're in deep trouble. Just sayin'.

If anything, that should at least indicate we were working the shot clock. I wouldn't say it was "a work of art" but I definitely don't think our offense was/is terrible. I also don't really think these buy games are worth much in terms of gauging team production.

Point 1: Was this our choice and, if so, why? (Given your 3rd point)

Point 2: Agreed. Our offense is not terrible. However, last night, it was just average at best, below average given who we were playing.

Point 3: Could be true. However, NSU would win its share of games this year if they were in the Valley. And since they beat LSU (there) and LSU is probably better the Tulsa, just how many more opportunities do we have that will be better gages?

1: Marshall didn't want to run up the score, I'm just surprised he didn't put in more bench players. (That might be attributed to things brought up earlier in the week.)

3: LSU might actually be decent. Nicholls State lost to Houston and LSU just blew them out. I'd imagine we're saving "going all out" for MVC play, if we need it. If we don't have a competitive game for the rest of the year, then I guess we won't really get a good gauge.

[ShockTalk]

Sorry, AndShock, I'm not buyin' any of it.

1. Didn't want to run up the score? Really? With 4 minutes left in the first half, we lead 21-16. We had a 4 point lead and on pace to score 52 for the game. I guess I'm suppose to believe that after a strong finish to the first half and we built a lead of 15, he knew we were in complete control, so for the first 11+ minutes of the second half, just to keep it from looking bad, we backed off so they could out score us 21-16 and have only a 10 point lead. At a time when most teams back off, we out scored NSU 18-10 to finish the game. Note that we scored more in the last 8:30 of the half than the first 11:30.

3. So LSU blew out Houston, a team that beat NSU (in overtime @ Houston). You failed to mention that NSU beat LSU (@ LSU) by 9. By the way, LSU managed to squeek out a win tonight by 4, 59-55, over 2-6 Central Michigan. I think beating LSU has pretty much become a must win.

[Ricardo del Rio]

Shame that NS was the best school they could get for $80k.

70-80 is the going rate. Air fare and hotel are negotiable.

I am not clear. Let me try again.

Sometimes the fee is 70-80 straight or 70-80 plus air fare and/or hotel.

[AndShock]

Sorry, AndShock, I'm not buyin' any of it.

1. Didn't want to run up the score? Really? With 4 minutes left in the first half, we lead 21-16. We had a 4 point lead and on pace to score 52 for the game. I guess I'm suppose to believe that after a strong finish to the first half and we built a lead of 15, he knew we were in complete control, so for the first 11+ minutes of the second half, just to keep it from looking bad, we backed off so they could out score us 21-16 and have only a 10 point lead. At a time when most teams back off, we out scored NSU 18-10 to finish the game. Note that we scored more in the last 8:30 of the half than the first 11:30.

3. So LSU blew out Houston, a team that beat NSU (in overtime @ Houston). You failed to mention that NSU beat LSU (@ LSU) by 9. By the way, LSU managed to squeek out a win tonight by 4, 59-55, over 2-6 Central Michigan. I think beating LSU has pretty much become a must win.

Marshall was coasting, then realized the game was too close, then increased the lead and went back to slowing it down. I don't think it's that hard to believe. I guess we can agree to disagree, and we won't know the answer until we end up in a close game in the 50s.

I know Nicholls State beat LSU, I have no idea if that was an upset or not. I don't know which of those teams is better. Nicholls State winning could've been a fluke, or Nicholls State just might be a much better team, I don't know. I just know I'm not expecting to blow LSU out. It definitely could happen, I'm just not expecting it.

[Ricardo del Rio]

I don't think I have ever seen a player with quite the strategy of #31. He spent the night slamming into our guys who would raise their arms to protect themselves. #31 flops to the floor and the devensive guy gets called for an elbow or chuck. Pretty amazing. Dude also had a very unorthodox off-balance jumper - arm/legs/everything going in different directions.

Very wierd flow to the game last night. Nicholls State ran almost zero sets in the 1st half. Shox couldn't hit much from 15 feet out, and the two players many have been looking recently at to carry the team, Blair and Kyles, had very sub-par games.

--'85.

He has been touted as NBA stock by some, but not by me. He is a fine spot up shooter and that is it. He can do little else.

It should be known, I once said that Tim Duncan would never make it in the NBA. So that tells you how much I know about player evaluation.

[ShockTalk]

Sorry, AndShock, I'm not buyin' any of it.

1. Didn't want to run up the score? Really? With 4 minutes left in the first half, we lead 21-16. We had a 4 point lead and on pace to score 52 for the game. I guess I'm suppose to believe that after a strong finish to the first half and we built a lead of 15, he knew we were in complete control, so for the first 11+ minutes of the second half, just to keep it from looking bad, we backed off so they could out score us 21-16 and have only a 10 point lead. At a time when most teams back off, we out scored NSU 18-10 to finish the game. Note that we scored more in the last 8:30 of the half than the first 11:30.

3. So LSU blew out Houston, a team that beat NSU (in overtime @ Houston). You failed to mention that NSU beat LSU (@ LSU) by 9. By the way, LSU managed to squeek out a win tonight by 4, 59-55, over 2-6 Central Michigan. I think beating LSU has pretty much become a must win.

Marshall was coasting, then realized the game was too close, then increased the lead and went back to slowing it down. I don't think it's that hard to believe. I guess we can agree to disagree, and we won't know the answer until we end up in a close game in the 50s.

I know Nicholls State beat LSU, I have no idea if that was an upset or not. I don't know which of those teams is better. Nicholls State winning could've been a fluke, or Nicholls State just might be a much better team, I don't know. I just know I'm not expecting to blow LSU out. It definitely could happen, I'm just not expecting it.

It is hard to believe. No coach worth anything is going to instruct/coach his team to "coast" in the first half, particularly to the point of having only a 4 point lead with a pathetic score of 21-16 with 4 minutes to go in the half. Then, as easy as flipping a switch, tell his team to blow them out the remaining 4 minutes, only to back off again for 11+ minutes. I guess you don't realize how ridiculous that sounds.

I certainly don't expect WSU to blow LSU out, but I'd like to see it. I know you don't expect it because you believe Marshall would coast before doing so.

[AndShock]

Sorry, AndShock, I'm not buyin' any of it.

1. Didn't want to run up the score? Really? With 4 minutes left in the first half, we lead 21-16. We had a 4 point lead and on pace to score 52 for the game. I guess I'm suppose to believe that after a strong finish to the first half and we built a lead of 15, he knew we were in complete control, so for the first 11+ minutes of the second half, just to keep it from looking bad, we backed off so they could out score us 21-16 and have only a 10 point lead. At a time when most teams back off, we out scored NSU 18-10 to finish the game. Note that we scored more in the last 8:30 of the half than the first 11:30.

3. So LSU blew out Houston, a team that beat NSU (in overtime @ Houston). You failed to mention that NSU beat LSU (@ LSU) by 9. By the way, LSU managed to squeek out a win tonight by 4, 59-55, over 2-6 Central Michigan. I think beating LSU has pretty much become a must win.

Marshall was coasting, then realized the game was too close, then increased the lead and went back to slowing it down. I don't think it's that hard to believe. I guess we can agree to disagree, and we won't know the answer until we end up in a close game in the 50s.

I know Nicholls State beat LSU, I have no idea if that was an upset or not. I don't know which of those teams is better. Nicholls State winning could've been a fluke, or Nicholls State just might be a much better team, I don't know. I just know I'm not expecting to blow LSU out. It definitely could happen, I'm just not expecting it.

It is hard to believe. No coach worth anything is going to instruct/coach his team to "coast" in the first half, particularly to the point of having only a 4 point lead with a pathetic score of 21-16 with 4 minutes to go in the half. Then, as easy as flipping a switch, tell his team to blow them out the remaining 4 minutes, only to back off again for 11+ minutes. I guess you don't realize how ridiculous that sounds.

I certainly don't expect WSU to blow LSU out, but I'd like to see it. I know you don't expect it because you believe Marshall would coast before doing so.

Sorry, I was more referring to the second half. We had one bad scoring slump in the first half. That's going to happen with any team. Take out that one 3-4 minute stretch and our scoring would've been well into the 40, maybe even 50s. That would be better than good. We had a 4 minute scoreless stretch and still put up 34.


I consider 15+ points "blowing out" so Marshall could still coast and blow out LSU. I doubt we'd win by 40, even if we were up by 20 at half. I'd like to see that happen, but I don't think Marshall would do it. The point is, if we're blowing out teams, we're not going to give them everything we have for 40 minutes. We might do it to MVC teams, but not against Nicholls State.

[ShockerFever]

I don't think I have ever seen a player with quite the strategy of #31. He spent the night slamming into our guys who would raise their arms to protect themselves. #31 flops to the floor and the devensive guy gets called for an elbow or chuck. Pretty amazing. Dude also had a very unorthodox off-balance jumper - arm/legs/everything going in different directions.

Very wierd flow to the game last night. Nicholls State ran almost zero sets in the 1st half. Shox couldn't hit much from 15 feet out, and the two players many have been looking recently at to carry the team, Blair and Kyles, had very sub-par games.

--'85.

He has been touted as NBA stock by some, but not by me. He is a fine spot up shooter and that is it. He can do little else.

It should be known, I once said that Tim Duncan would never make it in the NBA. So that tells you how much I know about player evaluation.

Hey Ricky,
Can you reference "Prince Korver" in your next post, just for old time's sake?

[ShockTalk]

AndShock - We just look at things differently. You look at one 3-4 minute scoring drought and say the rest of the half is good to great. I look at the 8.5 minute period where we scored only 6 points or take out the 1st 2 minutes (we scored 5) and the last 3.5 minutes (we scored 13) and have concern for the middle 14.5 minutes we scored only 16. I believe consistency is key to success. Offensively, I didn't see that in either half except for the last 8.5 minutes of the game which, by that time, NSU was worn down so its worth for consistency is minimal.

As for 15+ being a blow out, yes, against top competition. Frankly, anything under 25 against buy-in teams is not a blow out and, with our depth, there should be little need to coast. I'd rather build that 25 point lead 30 minutes into the game, then let most of my first 8-9 players rest rather than have them out there the whole game. Murry and Kyles played 30 minutes each. If we were doing any coasting, I don't believe they'd been out there that much.