Round peg square hole

[Ta town]

I keep hearing this or see it posted in comment sections. This is wrong...you can fit a 10,000 seat roundhouse into a 15,000 seat square quite easily.

What you can't do is reserve half the lower bowl for intrust goonies then fit the remaining 10,000 into relative seating.

Just say that, that's all I'm asking, quit the round into square bull crap, that only applies when the square doesn't fit 150% of the circle.

[martymoose]

Don't know how many season ticket holders Tulsa has, but all of them were in the lower bowl at the Tulsa arena in their last game.

[ShockerFever]

I imagine the Tulsa season ticket base is around 4,000 or so.


How can you fit a round hole into a square peg? Seriously, do you not understand basic physics? Especially considering that square peg isn't even fully enclosed. The upper level is configured like a C. It doesn't go all around the arena.

Half the lower bowl is reserved for "intrust goonies"? Care to cite where you're getting this info from? It's always nice to sugarcoat things to favor a bad argument.

If you wanna be pissy and moany about anybody, be pissy and moany about the athletic department. They are the ones that chose to seat people based on priority points. They are the ones who moved the game to IBA.

It's one damn game. Get over it or give your tickets to someone who won't whine about them.

[martymoose]

It's one damn game. Get over it or give your tickets to someone who won't whine about them.

I don't know that it's about whining...people were told by the ticket office we'd be in the lower bowl. If I would have known that my tickets were going to be absolutly horrible, I would have gladly given my season tickets away to my parents or friends interested in going and purchased some upgraded tickets through the IBA box office for myself when they went on sale. Call me crazy, but when I saw excellent tickets for sale, I figured season ticket holders would have good seats.

[Ta town]

How can you fit a round hole into a square peg? Seriously, do you not understand basic physics?

Half the lower bowl is reserved for "intrust goonies"? Care to cite where you're getting this info from? It's always nice to sugarcoat things to favor a bad argument.
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First off I think you may mean geometry. Also round peg square hole, pardon me.

Secondly 4 sections went to intrust arena club ticket holders. See response from russel Wilkins of the Wichita state athletic department, about midway down on page 3 of the anybody got their Tulsa tickets yet topic.

3rd of all I just asked that the round peg square hole argument be recognized as false. Based on your response you may be to slow to understand so
repeating that 10,500 should easily fit into 15,000 seat arena if 4 sections
were not reserved for intrust bank arena club seat holders wouldnt help.

I would suggest reserving the insults until you know somebody is sugarcoating just for a bad argument. Kind of makes u look like an azz. Although u may be use to it.

[ShockerFever]

I understand the frustration. When were you told that season ticket holders were all gonna be in the lower level? I guess you weren't aware that lower bowl of IBA seats roughly 6,000. Obviously, mathematically impossible to get everyone down there.

What WSU failed at the most IMO was concentrating the remaining overspill into the upper bowl into all of the side sections. Although everybody pretty much got a side center view, lots of people are stuck at the rafters. But I imagine most of those same people have rafter seats at Koch.

There were only a handful of seats that opened up to the general public that were good. And all of those were either $102 or $52, double or quadruple the price of the regular base ticket. So yes they were there but they were a bit pricey.

WSU didn't communicate well with the season ticket holders. This blame falls entirely on the athletic department and AD. A heads-up before the on-sale would have let people know what was up and then you could have used your method. In that regard, the communication is just another blunder on a big dirty laundry list of things the athletic department has failed on for the last couple of years. It's a damn shame how things have fallen so severely over the last few years.

[ShockerFever]

How can you fit a round hole into a square peg? Seriously, do you not understand basic physics?

Half the lower bowl is reserved for "intrust goonies"? Care to cite where you're getting this info from? It's always nice to sugarcoat things to favor a bad argument.
.

First off I think you may mean geometry. Also round peg square hole, pardon me.

Secondly 4 sections went to intrust arena club ticket holders. See response from russel Wilkins of the Wichita state athletic department, about midway down on page 3 of the anybody got their Tulsa tickets yet topic.

3rd of all I just asked that the round peg square hole argument be recognized as false. Based on your response you may be to slow to understand so
repeating that 10,500 should easily fit into 15,000 seat arena if 4 sections
were not reserved for intrust bank arena club seat holders wouldnt help.

I would suggest reserving the insults until you know somebody is sugarcoating just for a bad argument. Kind of makes u look like an azz. Although u may be use to it.

No, in this case, the hole is round and the peg is square because if you are whining about the lower bowl, it seats less than Koch. So therefore the dimensions are reversed.

If my math is correct, there are 26 lower bowl sections at IBA. 4 of 26 isn't half. In fact, it isn't even 1/5 of the lower bowl. Not even close. Perhaps it's time to revisit the calculator again.

10,500 does fit easily into a 15,000 seat arena. 10,500 doesn't fit easily into a 6,000 seat lower bowl however. I'm lost at your argument right now. Do you think you should have been in the lower level or what? Do you think your sightlines should have been identical to that of Koch's or what? Do you realize the two venues are configured completely differently? Do you realize it would have been physically impossible to match everyone accordingly, not to mention the many months of time it would have taken to try and get it somewhat close?

I find it funny when you complain about "insults" and in the very next sentence you call me an "azz".

Have you thrown your tickets into the toilet yet?

[martymoose]

Fever, I guess you don't understand the point. I didn't expect to have my seats in the lower bowl. Although, I do know others who called the ticket office and were told they would be in the lower bowl. That aside, I understand that 10k+ won't fit in a 6k area...my point is why were lower bowl tickets being sold to Joe Blow and not allotted to Shocker season ticket holders? Not only that but I could buy upper level center court tickets online after they went onsale. The “computers picked the seats” argument is BS, they saved the best seats to sell and gave the season ticket holders the crap.

[Ta town]

How can you fit a round hole into a square peg? Seriously, do you not understand basic physics?

Half the lower bowl is reserved for "intrust goonies"? Care to cite where you're getting this info from? It's always nice to sugarcoat things to favor a bad argument.
.

First off I think you may mean geometry. Also round peg square hole, pardon me.

Secondly 4 sections went to intrust arena club ticket holders. See response from russel Wilkins of the Wichita state athletic department, about midway down on page 3 of the anybody got their Tulsa tickets yet topic.

3rd of all I just asked that the round peg square hole argument be recognized as false. Based on your response you may be to slow to understand so
repeating that 10,500 should easily fit into 15,000 seat arena if 4 sections
were not reserved for intrust bank arena club seat holders wouldnt help.

I would suggest reserving the insults until you know somebody is sugarcoating just for a bad argument. Kind of makes u look like an azz. Although u may be use to it.

No, in this case, the hole is round and the peg is square because if you are whining about the lower bowl, it seats less than Koch. So therefore the dimensions are reversed.

If my math is correct, there are 26 lower bowl sections at IBA. 4 of 26 isn't half. In fact, it isn't even 1/5 of the lower bowl. Not even close. Perhaps it's time to revisit the calculator again.

10,500 does fit easily into a 15,000 seat arena. 10,500 doesn't fit easily into a 6,000 seat lower bowl however. I'm lost at your argument right now. Do you think you should have been in the lower level or what? Do you think your sightlines should have been identical to that of Koch's or what? Do you realize the two venues are configured completely differently? Do you realize it would have been physically impossible to match everyone accordingly, not to mention the many months of time it would have taken to try and get it somewhat close?

I find it funny when you complain about "insults" and in the very next sentence you call me an "azz".

Have you thrown your tickets into the toilet yet?

Right, you tried to say I had unfounded beliefs and turns out they were founded. Thus the azz statement.

Also you seem to have a lot of issues. You tend to be in conflict with someone constantly on this site. I hope your life gets better and some joy enters into it.

You can easily give 10,500 the same viewing angle relative to the court in a 2D sense at intrust compared to koch. True some may need to be symetryed or mirrored to the side with the upper deck. I believe the issue is with going from middle 3rd of court to a corner or end. At least thats the issue I took. I fully expected upperdeck.

If you don't like me complaining then please don't read my garbage and don't respond. Put me on ignore if thats possible on this site. Infact I encourage you to.

[WstateU]

We now have 8 tickets to the game... 4 lower bowl (great seats, row 7 near center court) and 4 upper level near the very top. (I guess these would be referred to as ‘suck tickets’). My wife and I have decided to sit in the upper bowl to allow my daughters and one of their husbands (all graduates of other state institutions… and don’t worry they make more noise than my wife and I) to sit in our 'priority point' seats in the lower bowl. Seriously, I'm just happy to see the Shockers play the first basketball game in Intrust Arena. I’m anxious to see how the building design works as a basketball venue and I’m thrilled that it’s in downtown Wichita.

I was a long time PROPONENT of the downtown arena. I’m looking forward to taking my family out to a pre-game meal in Old Town and hopefully a celebratory night cap after the game. No, I'll never be in favor of leaving Charles Koch Arena on a permanent basis; however one or two games per year downtown sure won't kill me even if I have to sit in the Bob Uecker section in the very top row.

I realize this is a great place for everyone to vent. Better yet, call, write or email Dr. Sexton, his staff or anyone else where your voices can be heard. If all else fails, picket the ticket office Monday night and protest how you feel you’ve been wronged. Regardless, the team deserves your support on December 21.

[Ta town]

Again all im asking is just say its because intrust kept 4 sections of the lower bowl, stop the we had a hard time fitting 10,500 into 15K arena.

Which Wichita State did say in their response letter. Rather I have seen it on mvcfans and comments in the eagle. Something along the lines of you can't fit a circle into a square argument. Bad layout of intrust, etc.

Also I would like to point out upper deck isn't suck. upper deck in the corner basically a full basketball court away from the closet part of the court does suck.

[Aargh]

I would gladly sit in the upper bowl - even the top row - if my seat were within 30 or 40 feet of center court.

I'm 8 rows up in the upper bowl and straight up from a corner of the court, which I consider worse than behind the end of the court.

I'm center court, row 25 in Koch. I know i'm low on the "pririty list", but an equivalent seat at CKA to where I sit in IBA is one of the last tickets sold either as a season ticket or a single game ticket.

The simple fact is that WSU season ticket holders did not get priority in assigning seats. That's the complaint those of us who pay for the program have.

[ShockerFever]

Fever, I guess you don't understand the point. I didn't expect to have my seats in the lower bowl. Although, I do know others who called the ticket office and were told they would be in the lower bowl. That aside, I understand that 10k+ won't fit in a 6k area...my point is why were lower bowl tickets being sold to Joe Blow and not allotted to Shocker season ticket holders? Not only that but I could buy upper level center court tickets online after they went onsale. The “computers picked the seats” argument is BS, they saved the best seats to sell and gave the season ticket holders the crap.

I know part of the reason this game was to be played at IBA was more exposure and opportunity towards fans who normally don't get to see the Shox at home. There were literally tens (yes, just tens) of seats that were courtside and went on sale. I think they were feeling for one game that Joe Blow has that special chance to see something they normally wouldn't see but still at a premium price.

WSU effed up on lack of communication. I get that. I'm with you on that. I really think priority points were the most fair way to distribute this out. Now the use of certain sections and the barring of others is questionable. But that's what they did so if you have any beef with them, let em know. Maybe better yet, wait until the game, experience it firsthand, and then give your comments. No matter what happens, somebody wouldn't have been happy.

Next year, they'll probably won't even include it in the package and let everybody fend for their own. Then you'll get a chance to see what "getting crapped on" means.

[ShockerFever]

[Right, you tried to say I had unfounded beliefs and turns out they were founded. Thus the azz statement.

So have you thrown your tickets in the toilet yet?

Also you seem to have a lot of issues. You tend to be in conflict with someone constantly on this site. I hope your life gets better and some joy enters into it.

Issues? Who am I constantly in conflict? Oh, do you mean discussing things on a discussion board? Yep, that's me. Were you hoping to create a thread without response or something? What is your point exactly?

You can easily give 10,500 the same viewing angle relative to the court in a 2D sense at intrust compared to koch. True some may need to be symetryed or mirrored to the side with the upper deck. I believe the issue is with going from middle 3rd of court to a corner or end. At least thats the issue I took. I fully expected upperdeck.

No, it's not possible to have the same viewing angle. The upper deck on the east side of the building does not exist. Therefore, those who sit in that angle at Koch would not have similar one. Again, this game is partly on new exposure to other fans. Most schools don't offer games like these with their season ticket package. I guess next time WSU should just stay out of it and then you can have fun trying to lock up better tickets.

If you don't like me complaining then please don't read my garbage and don't respond. Put me on ignore if thats possible on this site. Infact I encourage you to.

You can complain all you want, but you're whining to the wrong people. There's always gonna be people who *****, no matter what. In this case, you're one of those people. I dunno why you're getting so defensive about it. Call the ticket office. Give em a taste of what's cooking.

At least you can admit that what you said has been garbage.. :whistle:

[ShockerFever]

We now have 8 tickets to the game... 4 lower bowl (great seats, row 7 near center court) and 4 upper level near the very top. (I guess these would be referred to as ‘suck tickets’). My wife and I have decided to sit in the upper bowl to allow my daughters and one of their husbands (all graduates of other state institutions… and don’t worry they make more noise than my wife and I) to sit in our 'priority point' seats in the lower bowl. Seriously, I'm just happy to see the Shockers play the first basketball game in Intrust Arena. I’m anxious to see how the building design works as a basketball venue and I’m thrilled that it’s in downtown Wichita.

I was a long time PROPONENT of the downtown arena. I’m looking forward to taking my family out to a pre-game meal in Old Town and hopefully a celebratory night cap after the game. No, I'll never be in favor of leaving Charles Koch Arena on a permanent basis; however one or two games per year downtown sure won't kill me even if I have to sit in the Bob Uecker section in the very top row.

I realize this is a great place for everyone to vent. Better yet, call, write or email Dr. Sexton, his staff or anyone else where your voices can be heard. If all else fails, picket the ticket office Monday night and protest how you feel you’ve been wronged. Regardless, the team deserves your support on December 21.

Great post WstateU. :good: