David Kyles

[SubGod22]

David has a higher ceiling than Murry if he wants it enough. He just needs to stay aggressive and be smart.

Murry needs to work on his shot selection or something. Maybe it's just his shot. I haven't paid that close attention but know he's forced a couple. I don't want to see him going 3-10 often.

[wufan]

Kyles is not strong in traffic like Murry. Toure uses his athleticism to draw contact. David uses his to avoid it. Hence, TM goes to the foul stripe alot more, but if they don't call the foul, it goes down as poor shot selection. Hatch is similar in his "contact" shots.

I agree that DK has the higher ceiling, but I don't see him ever being the all-around player that Hatch/Murry are and that Smith can be. I do love the pure shooting guard mentality of DK though...great outside stroke and explosive quickness with and without the ball are quite the site.

[SubGod22]

Some of those "contact" shots of Murry are him trying to do to much to draw a foul when most of us realize he's not going to get the call. A lot of players do it, but not all contact is a foul, especially if you're throwing yourself into the defender. Sadly, it gets called just enough that more people try to do it.

[mickeylegal]

DK made a comment on his Facebook that he had never been guarded as close as he was for the Virginia game. So this was a learning experience for him.

[Born2Shock]

DK made a comment on his Facebook that he had never been guarded as close as he was for the Virginia game. So this was a learning experience for him.

Hopefully he understands how much this helps the team. Not allowing guards to flash down to double the big men just makes everything so much more dangerous.

[ShockTalk]

Kyles is not strong in traffic like Murry. Toure uses his athleticism to draw contact. David uses his to avoid it. Hence, TM goes to the foul stripe alot more, but if they don't call the foul, it goes down as poor shot selection. Hatch is similar in his "contact" shots.

I agree that DK has the higher ceiling, but I don't see him ever being the all-around player that Hatch/Murry are and that Smith can be. I do love the pure shooting guard mentality of DK though...great outside stroke and explosive quickness with and without the ball are quite the site.

Just asking: I don't view DK as a one dimensional player, such as Ogirri. If he has a higher ceiling, can drive inside (just a different style than TM or GH), shoot the 3 well, score the ball, draw both offensively and defensively a tough match up, block shots, steal the ball, and rebound well, how is that not being as good of all around player? All three have their strengths, but also weaknesses. One would think with that higher ceiling and what he can already do, as he grows, he could do more things as well or better, without having a particular weakness.

[wufan]

I didn't say Kyles was one dimensional, but that he was a pure shooting guard by position. He doesn't have the height of a BCS SF nor the strength of a non-BCS SF. He has the size athleticism and stroke of a very good SG at any level. What I don't think he'll develop is the great passing or rebounding ability of Toure. I think David will likely get rebound numbers similar to a PG and assist numbers similar to a post. On the other hand, he does block shots and get steals. It all comes down to his athletic ability allowing him to attain a higher level of play.

[wufan]

Some of those "contact" shots of Murry are him trying to do to much to draw a foul when most of us realize he's not going to get the call. A lot of players do it, but not all contact is a foul, especially if you're throwing yourself into the defender. Sadly, it gets called just enough that more people try to do it.

Agree. The occasional 3 of 10 is going to happen though with that style of play. Hopefully he continues to learn when to create contact and when to pass out.

[ShockTalk]

I didn't say Kyles was one dimensional, but that he was a pure shooting guard by position. He doesn't have the height of a BCS SF nor the strength of a non-BCS SF. He has the size athleticism and stroke of a very good SG at any level. What I don't think he'll develop is the great passing or rebounding ability of Toure. I think David will likely get rebound numbers similar to a PG and assist numbers similar to a post. On the other hand, he does block shots and get steals. It all comes down to his athletic ability allowing him to attain a higher level of play.

OK, not trying to be difficult, I just don't agree with the "all around" tag and how it's applied here.

DK is 6'4", GH is 6'4", and Murry 6'5". Almost no difference, but DK is lighter. However, he has quickness and ups that Hatch doesn't and Hatch has strength which he needs to make up for his lack of height at the 3. TM has his ball handling, but I don't know that Hatch is any different than DK here.

As far as assists, based on 40 minutes played, last year: TM 3.9, DK 3.3, and GH 1.2. This year, if TM plays the point some, he should have more assists.

For rebounds: TM 6.3, GH 5.7, DK 5.5. Not really that much different. As for this year, if Rags is at point and TM and DK are playing at the same time, TM would be the 3, so I'd expect more rebounds. Again, there was little difference last year based on 40 minute periods played.

Even though DK may have a few advantages over Murry, potentially, I'll give you that TM is more all around. Toure has the body to play a 3 better than David. Hatch and Kyles, basically play different positions, so its harder to tell. No doubt, Graham has a few advantages over anybody on the team. However, I feel David has more advantages over all than Graham. Could GH play the 2 better than DK could play the 3? I don't know and I hope we don't need to find out.

[wufan]

I don't really see your disagreement, and in fact I think you help make my point. Not sure if that was your intention or not so I'll let it be. Nothing much else to say.

[Bigshotmaker]

It's great for you guys to have this kind of conversation, comparing these outstanding big guards.When GM envisioned putting these guys together this is what he had in mind.I credit GM for being a good taskmaster because he saw their weaknesses (minds and bodies) pointed it out and said work on it.They had different weaknesses. DK dealing with attitude and work ethic,GH with footwork to defend his position and TM getting stronger and making better decisions.So far you can actually see it in their play.

[Snapshot9]

What I see from Toure, especially with him playing the PG, is that he is taking a lot of responsibility to help lead his team, and this leads to poor decisions sometimes. Hopefully this gets better as the season progresses.

[1979Shocker]

Through 6 games Kyles is 21-36 from 3 for 58.3%.

As a team the Shockers are shooting 41.7% from 3. Take Kyles out of the equation and they're shooting 35.4%.

Last year they're 3PT% was 35.7%.

[ShockerFever]

DK = Freak.

Keep it up. He's quickly becoming one of my faves. :good:

[WstateU]

DK = Freak.

Keep it up. He's quickly becoming one of my faves. :good:

He's a Super Freak! :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXLctnzu2YI