Conference Re-Alignment -- Not over, and has Football here

[tw805]

I believe the challenge with WSU (and it will get worse) is that our demographics of students have changed tremendously since 1986.

I would like to see a comparison of the demographics for 1986 and now. I see people using this as a argument, but no facts. I'm not disputing this because I don't know one way or the other and would like to see the details.

I'll try to find it SB Shock: Here is an interesting article on K-State's cross road decision.
http://www.kstatecollegian.com/wefal...und-1.746588#5

Great find.

[Ashockalypse]

I pledge to buy season tickets for five years if we bring back football.

[shocky]

I would caution anyone using KSU's football success as a guide for WSU. We have to understand that KSU and WSU were and are in two different worlds in athletics.

KSU had and has the Big 8 and Big 12 money coming in every year. They also have games that big name schools like NU and OU have to schedule home and away every year, no matter how good or bad they were. This is no small detail. It means that KSU has a chance to play and knock off a national power every year without a need for a nation tourney, like basketball has. We never had that chance. I would argue that in the late 80's and early 90's playing without a conference was loosing battle. Just ask Tulsa about that.

What KSU did in football was unbelievable. There is no doubt about that. But let's not forget that many students go there because it's traditional. Not because of the sports, per say. I went to WSU in the very late 80's and early 90's. We had the highest enrollment that WSU has ever had, but so many didn't care about WSU at all. I agree that Armstong selling out to commuters was a huge flop. But I always heard the same complaints about WSU: Your school is boring. No student life. In a bad neighborhood. Everyone drives to school and leaves. I want football bad, but these are the issues that had students flocking to KSU and KU. Football was not on the radar.

WSU has made progress, but we have a ways to go. I don't know what the future holds as far as traditional versus non-traditional students, but we have to make WSU more appealing to the student. Not because we play football or not play football, but because WSU offers even more than a university with just good athletics ever could. A great campus life. If we do that my friends, the rest will follow. I promise you that.

[vancedave56]

How has the population of the Wichita area changed since 1986? I'm thinking it has changed quite a bit. :)

[NCAABound]

How has the population of the Wichita area changed since 1986? I'm thinking it has changed quite a bit. :)

Wichita MSA Population:

1986 - 464,698
2009 - 589,195

http://recenter.tamu.edu/data/popm/pm9040.htm

[SB Shock]

How has the population of the Wichita area changed since 1986? I'm thinking it has changed quite a bit. :)

growth and demographics are entirely different.

I would think that there are reports of the demographics of enrollment at wsu each year but I have not found it yet if it is the public domain.

[Veritas]

How has the population of the Wichita area changed since 1986? I'm thinking it has changed quite a bit. :)

growth and demographics are entirely different.

I would think that there are reports of the demographics of enrollment at wsu each year but I have not found it yet if it is the public domain.

Only thing close I could find is on page 71 of the document http://www.kspsd.org/IR/common/docum..._rev123008.pdf

[tw805]

How has the population of the Wichita area changed since 1986? I'm thinking it has changed quite a bit. :)

growth and demographics are entirely different.

I would think that there are reports of the demographics of enrollment at wsu each year but I have not found it yet if it is the public domain.

Only thing close I could find is on page 71 of the document http://www.kspsd.org/IR/common/docum..._rev123008.pdf

Less than 10% in university housing is a bit sad. Presumably that doesn't include Greek housing. At least the ACT scores are coming up.

[SB Shock]

How has the population of the Wichita area changed since 1986? I'm thinking it has changed quite a bit. :)

growth and demographics are entirely different.

I would think that there are reports of the demographics of enrollment at wsu each year but I have not found it yet if it is the public domain.

Only thing close I could find is on page 71 of the document http://www.kspsd.org/IR/common/docum..._rev123008.pdf

Good find, thanks. From that you can get data over the period of 2001 to 2009.

[SB Shock]

How has the population of the Wichita area changed since 1986? I'm thinking it has changed quite a bit. :)

growth and demographics are entirely different.

I would think that there are reports of the demographics of enrollment at wsu each year but I have not found it yet if it is the public domain.

Only thing close I could find is on page 71 of the document http://www.kspsd.org/IR/common/docum..._rev123008.pdf

Less than 10% in university housing is a bit sad. Presumably that doesn't include Greek housing. At least the ACT scores are coming up.

I don't know why that is such a surprise to you. With Wichita being bigger than Manhattan or Lawrence there are more and diverse options instead of living in residence halls (including living at home for some). KU only runs 18% in their residence halls and K-State is little higher at 25%.

[tropicalshox]

Sdshox said there would be published reports about speculation of WSU being a 12th member of Valley football. Has this occurred?

[SB Shock]

I went ahead analyzed some of the data. Some interesting trends. Although WSU overall enrollment has been flat since 2001 (14854-2001, 14823-2009). The full time student enrollment has increased +20%.

2001 - 7,879 (53% of enrollment)
2009 - 9,428 (64% of enrollment)

Where WSU has lost enrollment is in the part-time side.



Overall Enrollment (2001-2009)
WSU -0.2%
KU +1.7%
KSU -5.5%

Overall for Full time students is shown here.

KU +8.8%
WSU +19.7%
KSU -6.1%



Another interesting thing I saw was that Non-Resident Aliens at WSU is dropping while KU and KSU have been increasing.

WSU -0.2%
KU +1.7%
KSU +5.4%



If you assume that the Non-Alien Resident are full-time students then the the breakdown for full-time U.S. citizens is for over 2001-2009

WSU +26.2%
KU +8.5%
KSU -10.1%[/img]