Marshall interview

[SubGod22]

ShockRef was asked about the differences in his meetings between the two. His first point was simply about professionalism and how ES came off and he left it at that until somebody asked for a comparisson to his meetings with JS. It was that simple. He even went as far as saying it would be difficult to come up with negative things about the man.

From simple observations though, JS was more outgoing and engaging than ES. They definitely have different traits and ideas on how to go about things. But with the success that JS had and the feelings he generated from much of the faithful it can't be easy to follow him and be very much different in approach. ES's lack of communication with the masses is what's brought up all these questions about him. I don't think anyone wants him to fail, but they aren't sure if he'll succeed. Nobody wants to take a step back after the gains we accomplished under JS and staying put isn't going to please most either. Progress must continue and I hope ES has a vision/idea on how to achieve that.

[ABC]

ShockRef was asked about the differences in his meetings between the two. His first point was simply about professionalism and how ES came off and he left it at that until somebody asked for a comparisson to his meetings with JS. It was that simple. He even went as far as saying it would be difficult to come up with negative things about the man.

From simple observations though, JS was more outgoing and engaging than ES. They definitely have different traits and ideas on how to go about things. But with the success that JS had and the feelings he generated from much of the faithful it can't be easy to follow him and be very much different in approach. ES's lack of communication with the masses is what's brought up all these questions about him. I don't think anyone wants him to fail, but they aren't sure if he'll succeed. Nobody wants to take a step back after the gains we accomplished under JS and staying put isn't going to please most either. Progress must continue and I hope ES has a vision/idea on how to achieve that.

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You are way off base here.

I knew/know both personally. If you think JS is more engaging than ES then you clearly don't know either.

You say ES has lack of communication to the masses, yet I posted his state of the athletic department brochure. Where/when/how did JS communicate to the masses?

My experience with JS is that he didn't give a damn what Shockers fans or supporters wanted. That's not to say he didn't do things that we liked, but that's not why he took those particular actions.

He was great at patronizing you to make you think he cared; but he didn't care.

This criticsm of ES is intruiging. And as the Mad Hatter states, there is nothing concrete. Just ShockRefs feelings being hurt that ES couldn't remember his name. BFD.

[SubGod22]

I admit my observations are from a distance. ES has never even glanced at me so I don't know how he is personally. I go off what I've seen and heard from others. I'm not ripping the guy, just pointing out observable differences and stating why people question him and rightly so.

[NCAABound]

I have a question, and I seriously don't know the answer. I'd like to hear your thoughts.

Do you think ES would be hired at another MVC school (or quality mid-major) as AD as it stands today? Or somewhere with a similar budget/athletic department as WSU? Take away the dogs that have crappy athletics. I don't know much about him, and I'm having a hard time gauging what we have. I'm not trying to say anything bad about him.

If the answer is no, then I don't know why he is AD at WSU.

[vbird53]

I think much of the insecurity of the fanbase is as simple as inexperience. We have no idea, if and when ADES has to make a major coaching hire decision, where he will turn. It's a difficult spot to be in because we have no past history to go from. He's never made such a hire, but it doesn't necessarily mean that he'll screw it up either.

Right now, he's filling in the holes of facilities improvement, and operating the program in the black. He should be commended for both.

Yet, as much turnover as there is in head coaching at major athletic programs (not many last more than 7 years), it is a constant thought of the fanbase to wonder about the future.

[The Mad Hatter]

I think much of the insecurity of the fanbase is as simple as inexperience. We have no idea, if and when ADES has to make a major coaching hire decision, where he will turn. It's a difficult spot to be in because we have no past history to go from. He's never made such a hire, but it doesn't necessarily mean that he'll screw it up either.

Right now, he's filling in the holes of facilities improvement, and operating the program in the black. He should be commended for both.

Yet, as much turnover as there is in head coaching at major athletic programs (not many last more than 7 years), it is a constant thought of the fanbase to wonder about the future.

This is the kind of post I can get behind. The problem is not the ES hasn't done a good job or that we know that he will perform poorly moving forward. It is precisely that he hasn't been doing this long enough for us to know how capable he will be. There is a difference, however, between not knowing his capability level and knowing him to be incapable.

There is nothing wrong with being concerned, but I believe that this concern has ballooned into reading way too much into every occurrence than is actually there. I am sure that there are people here that know more than me, but making vague allusions to problems while refusing to specifically mention anything only serves to unnecessarily rile people up. If you have actual information and want to make an accusation, make it. Otherwise, all you are doing is spreading rumors that can never be proven or dis-proven, which is just gossip.

[AndShock]

I think much of the insecurity of the fanbase is as simple as inexperience. We have no idea, if and when ADES has to make a major coaching hire decision, where he will turn. It's a difficult spot to be in because we have no past history to go from. He's never made such a hire, but it doesn't necessarily mean that he'll screw it up either.

Right now, he's filling in the holes of facilities improvement, and operating the program in the black. He should be commended for both.

Yet, as much turnover as there is in head coaching at major athletic programs (not many last more than 7 years), it is a constant thought of the fanbase to wonder about the future.

This is the kind of post I can get behind. The problem is not the ES hasn't done a good job or that we know that he will perform poorly moving forward. It is precisely that he hasn't been doing this long enough for us to know how capable he will be. There is a difference, however, between not knowing his capability level and knowing him to be incapable.

I think this is part of the problem. Most of us would rather have someone with experience who we know can make the right decision when the time arises. That's a much better path than hire an AD, and then wait-and-see if he's capable or not.

[ISASO]

I guess you have to look at it like this: Don Beggs hired the guy and El Presidente has a pretty good track record, including hiring Schaus. Maybe we take comfort in the knowledge that ADES won't be using WSU as a stepping stone.

[vbird53]

I think much of the insecurity of the fanbase is as simple as inexperience. We have no idea, if and when ADES has to make a major coaching hire decision, where he will turn. It's a difficult spot to be in because we have no past history to go from. He's never made such a hire, but it doesn't necessarily mean that he'll screw it up either.

Right now, he's filling in the holes of facilities improvement, and operating the program in the black. He should be commended for both.

Yet, as much turnover as there is in head coaching at major athletic programs (not many last more than 7 years), it is a constant thought of the fanbase to wonder about the future.

This is the kind of post I can get behind. The problem is not the ES hasn't done a good job or that we know that he will perform poorly moving forward. It is precisely that he hasn't been doing this long enough for us to know how capable he will be. There is a difference, however, between not knowing his capability level and knowing him to be incapable.

I think this is part of the problem. Most of us would rather have someone with experience who we know can make the right decision when the time arises. That's a much better path than hire an AD, and then wait-and-see if he's capable or not.

But bigtime ADs that ooze experience have made all kinds of boneheaded hires also.

[ABC]

I guess you have to look at it like this: Don Beggs hired the guy and El Presidente has a pretty good track record, including hiring Schaus. Maybe we take comfort in the knowledge that ADES won't be using WSU as a stepping stone.

This is a good way to look at it too.

And I agree wtih the insecurity part; the unknown bothers us.

But of course, we didn't now if Schaus could/would succeed either.

However, ES has been on board for nearly two years, and what specifically has happened during those two years to cause such consternation? As I listed yesterday, there have been many positive things which should assuage some of the concern.

(BTW, that is the first time I have been able to fit the word "assuage" into a post)

Regardless of whether or not he'd be hired at another MVC school or if our AD should be one needing on-the-job training, he is our AD and he's not going anywhere, so why even discuss that?

[Ricardo del Rio]

I guess you have to look at it like this: Don Beggs hired the guy and El Presidente has a pretty good track record, including hiring Schaus. Maybe we take comfort in the knowledge that ADES won't be using WSU as a stepping stone.

This is a good way to look at it too.

And I agree wtih the insecurity part; the unknown bothers us.

But of course, we didn't now if Schaus could/would succeed either.

However, ES has been on board for nearly two years, and what specifically has happened during those two years to cause such consternation? As I listed yesterday, there have been many positive things which should assuage some of the concern.

(BTW, that is the first time I have been able to fit the word "assuage" into a post)

Regardless of whether or not he'd be hired at another MVC school or if our AD should be one needing on-the-job training, he is our AD and he's not going anywhere, so why even discuss that?

I don't recall you ever inserting BFD in a post before either.

A couple of firsts.

[60Shock]

Seems to me we are all dancing around the key issues here. I'm convinced he is a really nice guy, he gets out to events, he talks to people and remembers their names, he is really sociable, and is apparently quite adept in the area of financial management.

But, inspite of all this BS, what I want to see and hear concerns whether or not the man has any Vision (which starts with a Capital V and stands for Victories in all sports), and if so, just what is it?

I simply would like to have him answer three questions.

Outline in detail (year by year in each category) your plans for WSU Sports and where we will headed during the next:

1. 5 years - Specifically cover basketball, baseball, and projections
for football.

2. 10 years - Same as above.

3. 15 years - Same as above

[Kung Wu]

So far not a single poster has put forth a single negative, except that ADES has not addressed their personal need in some way (to be informed, to be remembered, to have a detailed email sent to them answering questions, etc).

All of these blank question marks about ADES are indirectly questioning President Beggs' ability to lead. Are there doubts about PDB's ability?

I personally hold PDB in high regard, and therefore give him and his decisions the benefit of the doubt in areas of uncertainty.

[ShockRef]

ShockRef was asked about the differences in his meetings between the two. His first point was simply about professionalism and how ES came off and he left it at that until somebody asked for a comparisson to his meetings with JS. It was that simple. He even went as far as saying it would be difficult to come up with negative things about the man.

From simple observations though, JS was more outgoing and engaging than ES. They definitely have different traits and ideas on how to go about things. But with the success that JS had and the feelings he generated from much of the faithful it can't be easy to follow him and be very much different in approach. ES's lack of communication with the masses is what's brought up all these questions about him. I don't think anyone wants him to fail, but they aren't sure if he'll succeed. Nobody wants to take a step back after the gains we accomplished under JS and staying put isn't going to please most either. Progress must continue and I hope ES has a vision/idea on how to achieve that.

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You are way off base here.

I knew/know both personally. If you think JS is more engaging than ES then you clearly don't know either.

You say ES has lack of communication to the masses, yet I posted his state of the athletic department brochure. Where/when/how did JS communicate to the masses?

My experience with JS is that he didn't give a damn what Shockers fans or supporters wanted. That's not to say he didn't do things that we liked, but that's not why he took those particular actions.

He was great at patronizing you to make you think he cared; but he didn't care.

This criticsm of ES is intruiging. And as the Mad Hatter states, there is nothing concrete. Just ShockRefs feelings being hurt that ES couldn't remember his name. BFD.

Hey **** for Brains,

You asked a simple question - you received a simple answer.

No feelings hurt on this end, just noted the difference between the current AD and his predecessor.

Obviously you are his new lap dog and easily irritated by any comment remotely critical.

Get used to it. 8)

[pinstripers]

Some of you guys are dense.