Is NCAA Seletive Enforcement Real?

[vbird53]

Is NCAA Selective Enforcement Real?

Just my opinion, but Forde misses wide on this one. Simply counting major infractions by BCS schools doesn't get to the heart of the matter. I'd like to see the list of "penalties" the NCAA leveled at these institutions.

Great quote though:

The NCAA is so mad at Kentucky, it's going to give Cleveland State two more years' probation

-Jerry Tarkanian

[vbird53]

Portland State faces NCAA's academic snare, while bigger schools avoid penalties

A little OT, but still enforcement related.

[WuDrWu]

Outside of Baylor (where there was an ACTUAL DEATH mind you) when was a BSC school actually penalized WHERE IT HURTS....namely


1)No FUTURE postseason (taking away Memphis' Final Four means NOTHING to me or anyone else, I don't care what you say). Also, don't tell me Michigan when they proclaim 2/3rds of the way through football and they are 2-6 "we aren't going to any bowl this year"....that's a joke too.

2)No TV.


Revenue and the ability to sell the program through media. Show me where they get kicked.

[shockball]

I'm pretty sure Michigan had to remove some banners that the Fab Five put up. It was quite a while ago. It was also well after the fact.

The bigger schools like USC (Bush, Mayo) have such deep pockets that they can fight the penalties forever. The NCAA is not talented enough to win. So when they get pissed they go after the Cleveland States. IMHO.

[WuDrWu]

I'm pretty sure Michigan had to remove some banners that the Fab Five put up. It was quite a while ago.

The bigger schools like USC (Bush, Mayo) have such deep pockets that they can fight the penalties forever. The NCAA is not talented enough to win. So when they get pissed they go after the Cleveland States. IMHO.

Removing banners means NOTHING. It takes no money from the school, it does not keep the school from making more money in the future, and most importantly, it does not give pause to future recruits to think twice about going there.

Taking the banner away is the equivalent of saying "don't do it again" without a paddling. As the offender, you shake your head, turn and smile that you got away free and clear.

[Awesome Sauce Malone]

Just to put this out there

I was watching some advertisement for a best of NCAA tournament DVD. Featured pretty prominently were Michigan's Fab 5.

I mean okay some of the kids took money thats against the rules and you punish them. Im fine with that.

But now its cool to use their image (that helped sell ALOT of merchandise - among other things that helped the NCAA) to help sell a DVD that you say didnt even happen.

Whats more frustrating is that i know the answer to my question and its even more frustrating that theres not to much to be done.
Its also frustrating that we keep showing outrage at situations like PSU's when we know why its being done. Its not right but it should be shocking either.

[Born2Shock]

Alot of my issue with this stuff isnt the major infractions, its the smaller stuff that really hurts the mids.
Hannah was suspended 3 games for a paperwork error. Yes, this shouldnt have happened, and something needed to be levied. However, John Wall got what, a 1 game suspension that was allowed to be taken during exhibition games. CJ Henry was allowed to skip the transfer rule (I think) to be able to play with his brother at KU.
One could speculate that beating Pitt wouldve been enough to push WSU over the bubble edge. These small things mean MUCH more to the WSU's of the world than they do to the highrollers. How many times are transfer rules waived, or eligibility questions waived for the bluebloods while Coy has to sit out because his father is actually sick?

[rjl]

Texas A&M was suspended from postseason football play in the early 90's and wound up going undefeated that year, if I recall correctly.

And I believe the same story happened more recently at Auburn.

[ISASO]

What would a "big-time" program have to do to get the 'death penalty'?

Would having coaches take tests for players do it?
Or funneling millions of dollars to an AAU program?
Would hooking your AD up with exercise equipment that breaks state laws be enough?
Maybe the label "Lack of Institutional Control" twice in the same decade would spur the death penalty.
Would allowing athletes to skip drug tests be a problem?

It's hard to imagine the NCAA shooting themselves in the face by giving one of their protected class the death penalty. It's a bar so high that no school could ever be dirty enough to face that consequence. Even if a school did all those things above in the space of 10 years...just hard to fathom the death penalty for those who are "more equal than others".

[pinstripers]

Future punishments or fines in 7 figures are painful. All else is only embarassing, nothing more.

[jocoshock]

Where the KU Jaylhawks are concerned the answer is yes.

If they do any "time" it will be like the Goodfellas.

[im4wsu]

I propose that the penalty for all infractions be monetary---with the payment going equally to the other schools in the conference. Just imagine the AD at OU having to write a $500,000 check to UT? And Nebraska? And Kansas? and Okie Lite? The pain of writing the "payee" would be worse than the dollar amount.

In the same manner, my proposal would allow them to participate in bowl games, but not share in any of the bowl revenues above their own expenses.
Similarly for TV revenue--let 'em play on TV, but not share the revenue. All of that means they are helping their opposition while going without themselves. Even the rich elitist alumni won't cotton to their $$$ going to their hated rival.

[Snapshot9]

Im4wsu, I tend to agree with you, and letting the penalties be monetary. First off there is that saying, 'If you want to hurt someone, hit'em in their pocketbook'. It would, more or less, insure that the infractions would be swiftly corrected for the future, more head coaches heads would roll, and alumni would be greatly displeased, since additional funding would have to come from private donations.

[lostshocker]

well if the money was just going to the other schools in their conference then most conferences would just be sending money back and forth to each other.

[rjl]

Sources state that USC Football will be levied a 2-season postseason ban, as well as loss of scholarships.

http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/ncf/news/story?id=5267933