UNI ponies up

[DUShock]

I could start requiring APA rules for every post.

[RoyalShock]

What does the American Proctological Association have to do with message board posts?




:whistle:

[SHOCKvalue]

Like a lot of schools, Gregg's total compensation package is made up of more than his salary which has been raised at least once from the 750k it started at......and not just in performance incentives.

His compensation is in excess of 1M.

Source?

You seem to have a much higher opinion of your WSU Athletic Department "connectedness", than I think most of us share. A lack of concrete evidence here would prove that only further.

What's the deal Ricky?

I believe Dr. Wu is correct.

The actual amount was never reported, I don't believe.

And I believe it is around $1 million per annum.

There's oodles of actual, relevant search results showing talk of $750K or even $800K, not the least of which are from our own school's AD website, and an AP article on ESPN, as I linked earlier.

There's nothing out there, outside of fan-driven hearsay, that supports $1M.

Given, the reports and links supporting the smaller figures are 3 years old now, but in spite of our high opinion and outlook for HCGM, what in the world has he done in those 3 years to garner a significant pay increase?

And even those references say the $750/800K are a base salary.

What's so tough to understand that incentives, camps, radio, etc. boost that up?

LOL I give up with you people. The faux $1M figure is some sort of personal social identifier for certain Shocker basketball fans. Logic and objectivity be damned.

I have links and quotes straight from the horses mouth of "$750K plus performance incentives", you have jack. No matter, carry on.

There's a Turgeon contract PDF linked earlier in the thread, if you want to have an epiphany on what a $750K "base" actually includes, and see how little camps, shoe deals, etc. add.

[jdmee]

Arguing between $1M and $750K + incentives, endorsements, camps, ....



This is just entertainment :yahoo: :good:

[Zardoz]

Like a lot of schools, Gregg's total compensation package is made up of more than his salary which has been raised at least once from the 750k it started at......and not just in performance incentives.

His compensation is in excess of 1M.

Source?

You seem to have a much higher opinion of your WSU Athletic Department "connectedness", than I think most of us share. A lack of concrete evidence here would prove that only further.

What's the deal Ricky?

I believe Dr. Wu is correct.

The actual amount was never reported, I don't believe.

And I believe it is around $1 million per annum.

There's oodles of actual, relevant search results showing talk of $750K or even $800K, not the least of which are from our own school's AD website, and an AP article on ESPN, as I linked earlier.

There's nothing out there, outside of fan-driven hearsay, that supports $1M.

Given, the reports and links supporting the smaller figures are 3 years old now, but in spite of our high opinion and outlook for HCGM, what in the world has he done in those 3 years to garner a significant pay increase?

And even those references say the $750/800K are a base salary.

What's so tough to understand that incentives, camps, radio, etc. boost that up?

LOL I give up with you people. The faux $1M figure is some sort of personal social identifier for certain Shocker basketball fans. Logic and objectivity be damned.

I have links and quotes straight from the horses mouth of "$750K plus performance incentives", you have jack. No matter, carry on.

There's a Turgeon contract PDF linked earlier in the thread, if you want to have an epiphany on what a $750K "base" actually includes, and see how little camps, shoe deals, etc. add.

Appears you are the "crazy" here. You don't think he hasn't picked any incentives? lol. you are the "crazy".

[The Mad Hatter]

Zardoz, read WuDrWu's original post in the block that you just quoted. It says "not just in performance incentives."

The question was about how much Marshall makes before those incentives, not after.

[jdmee]

Like a lot of schools, Gregg's total compensation package is made up of more than his salary which has been raised at least once from the 750k it started at......and not just in performance incentives.

This statement, which we all agree upon, says a couple of things:

1. Gregg started out with a base salary of $750k
2. Gregg has signed a couple of extensions which more than likely raised that base salary to more than $750K.
3. Gregg gets more $$ than his salary, he gets performance incentives, endorsements, camp fees, appearance fees, and more.

His compensation is in excess of 1M.

If we include all of Gregg's incentives that are added to his base salary (which has been bumped since he signed the original $750K contract) Dr is saying that it is greater than $1M.

Dr is NOT saying that GM's base salary is more than $1M.


How much is Marshall making? A Hell of alot more than me.

[Zardoz]

Zardoz, read WuDrWu's original post in the block that you just quoted. It says "not just in performance incentives."

The question was about how much Marshall makes before those incentives, not after.

I am not sure what the problem you are having with me is? HCGM has had at least 1 extension that I have read about and I am sure that that they adjusted his Base and he has two post season tournaments, one a so-so tourney and a NIT and you want to say he is not making a dime more today? He doesn't have to account for what he got getting us in those. Contact his tax account tents they will be very happy to hear the news.

[RoyalShock]

What does the American Proctological Association have to do with message board posts?

Now I'm beginning to understand.

;)

[SubGod22]

What does the American Proctological Association have to do with message board posts?

Now I'm beginning to understand.

;)

[notquiteBWing]

Like a lot of schools, Gregg's total compensation package is made up of more than his salary which has been raised at least once from the 750k it started at......and not just in performance incentives.

His compensation is in excess of 1M.

Source?

You seem to have a much higher opinion of your WSU Athletic Department "connectedness", than I think most of us share. A lack of concrete evidence here would prove that only further.

What's the deal Ricky?

I believe Dr. Wu is correct.

The actual amount was never reported, I don't believe.

And I believe it is around $1 million per annum.

There's oodles of actual, relevant search results showing talk of $750K or even $800K, not the least of which are from our own school's AD website, and an AP article on ESPN, as I linked earlier.

There's nothing out there, outside of fan-driven hearsay, that supports $1M.

Given, the reports and links supporting the smaller figures are 3 years old now, but in spite of our high opinion and outlook for HCGM, what in the world has he done in those 3 years to garner a significant pay increase?

And even those references say the $750/800K are a base salary.

What's so tough to understand that incentives, camps, radio, etc. boost that up?

LOL I give up with you people. The faux $1M figure is some sort of personal social identifier for certain Shocker basketball fans. Logic and objectivity be damned.

I have links and quotes straight from the horses mouth of "$750K plus performance incentives", you have jack. No matter, carry on.

There's a Turgeon contract PDF linked earlier in the thread, if you want to have an epiphany on what a $750K "base" actually includes, and see how little camps, shoe deals, etc. add.

Once upon a time I had to write a paper about Mack Browns contract. I had to read through his whole contract (PDF). His base salary, something like 4.4 million, included the media requirements, camps, endorsements.

Mack brown was paid only a fraction of the 4.4 million to be the head coach.
the other fractions were the aforementioned extras^^.
sooo
basing what I know about contracts off of mack browns football contract,
I would say that MOST LIKELY, Mr. Marshall makes 750K per year BEFORE INCENTIVES.

on another note, i'm sure we could find a PDF file of HCGM's contract on the interweb somewhere.
Since we are a public university, I believe the contract must be made public.

[Kung Wu]

The faux $1M figure is some sort of personal social identifier for certain Shocker basketball fans. Logic and objectivity be damned.

I have links and quotes straight from the horses mouth of "$750K plus performance incentives", you have jack. No matter, carry on.

There's a Turgeon contract PDF linked earlier in the thread, if you want to have an epiphany on what a $750K "base" actually includes, and see how little camps, shoe deals, etc. add.

So this topic is generally interesting to Shocker die-hards because the coach's compensation is a strong indicator of how much the school supports the program's success overall.

Here are some thoughts on this topic:

1) People generally overestimate how much other people make, especially highly compensated people.

2) To the average earner there is not much difference between $750k and $1,000k per year. But there is a big difference when you compare one coach's salary to another coach's. For example Jacobsen(sp?) is now making $450k compared with Marshall's initial $750k. If that delta closes too tight and we want to be on top of the league then we have to be "on it". $450k compared with $750k is a LOT different than $450k compared with $1000k. I think that's Ricky's point, and its certainly valid and important from understanding if WSU is wanting to be a conference leader.

3) To validate those guessing at the $800k to $850k range, considering that Marshall started at $750k, he would expect a regular annual salary increase each year of somewhere between 3% to 4%. He signed in April 2007. That means he likely saw a salary increase of, let's say, 3.5% in April of 2008 = $776k. Then in April of 2009 it's increased to (776*1.035) $803, and finally this April becomes (803*1.035) $831k. Again this is in lieu of bonuses and other incentives.

4) In the PDF, I was quite surprised at how low those incentives were, and that probably goes back to point 1) -- I also assumed those incentives would be larger. And they me be similar to what Turgeon's were or they may be a lot larger if they are based on a percentage of the coach's initial base pay. There is just no way to know that.

5) In the event that another program wants to scoop HC3G up, a contract buyout at $850k/yr would be quite a bit less than a buyout at $1000k/yr. So the higher his pay is, and the longer the contract, the more likely he is to price himself out of 2nd tier program and the better off it is for us fans here at WSU.

Sorry for the brain dump on this topic.

[SHOCKvalue]

Like a lot of schools, Gregg's total compensation package is made up of more than his salary which has been raised at least once from the 750k it started at......and not just in performance incentives.

His compensation is in excess of 1M.

Source?

You seem to have a much higher opinion of your WSU Athletic Department "connectedness", than I think most of us share. A lack of concrete evidence here would prove that only further.

What's the deal Ricky?

I believe Dr. Wu is correct.

The actual amount was never reported, I don't believe.

And I believe it is around $1 million per annum.

There's oodles of actual, relevant search results showing talk of $750K or even $800K, not the least of which are from our own school's AD website, and an AP article on ESPN, as I linked earlier.

There's nothing out there, outside of fan-driven hearsay, that supports $1M.

Given, the reports and links supporting the smaller figures are 3 years old now, but in spite of our high opinion and outlook for HCGM, what in the world has he done in those 3 years to garner a significant pay increase?

And even those references say the $750/800K are a base salary.

What's so tough to understand that incentives, camps, radio, etc. boost that up?

LOL I give up with you people. The faux $1M figure is some sort of personal social identifier for certain Shocker basketball fans. Logic and objectivity be damned.

I have links and quotes straight from the horses mouth of "$750K plus performance incentives", you have jack. No matter, carry on.

There's a Turgeon contract PDF linked earlier in the thread, if you want to have an epiphany on what a $750K "base" actually includes, and see how little camps, shoe deals, etc. add.

Appears you are the "crazy" here. You don't think he hasn't picked any incentives? lol. you are the "crazy".

Yes, I'm sure the fiscal rewards for one losing season, a CBI berth, and an NIT one-and-done is significant. I bet he's making north of $1.5M as a result.

I'm generally enamored with HCGM and what he might do with our program, but seriously...

[shockball]

UNI rut roh

Swiped this from the Drake board.

The Iowa Board of Regents wants to cut taxpayer funding of the athletic departments at ISU and UNI. UNI's budget is about $11-$12MM and taxpayer funding is about 40% of that. Here's a quote from Channel 13's article on it:

"Right now, the University of Northern Iowa gets about $4.6 million of its $11.5 million athletic budget from taxpayers. Iowa State gets about $3 million as part of its $43 million sports budget.

The board is asking the presidents of both schools to come up with a plan to reduce or eliminate taxpayer funded subsidies for college athletics by September, leaving the programs to fend for themselves. "There's all sorts of revenue from ticket sales and from contracts with media in order to generate money," [Board of Regents President David] Miles points out, "Sales from tee shirts. Lots of different ways they can generate revenue."

DUBulldog identified the Regents president as a Drake grad. :whistle:

[shocklight]

Re: UNI rut roh

Swiped this from the Drake board.

The Iowa Board of Regents wants to cut taxpayer funding of the athletic departments at ISU and UNI. UNI's budget is about $11-$12MM and taxpayer funding is about 40% of that. Here's a quote from Channel 13's article on it:

"Right now, the University of Northern Iowa gets about $4.6 million of its $11.5 million athletic budget from taxpayers. Iowa State gets about $3 million as part of its $43 million sports budget.

The board is asking the presidents of both schools to come up with a plan to reduce or eliminate taxpayer funded subsidies for college athletics by September, leaving the programs to fend for themselves. "There's all sorts of revenue from ticket sales and from contracts with media in order to generate money," [Board of Regents President David] Miles points out, "Sales from tee shirts. Lots of different ways they can generate revenue."

DUBulldog identified the Regents president as a Drake grad. :whistle:

Should we assume then, that Iowa University doesn't take monies from the state for athletics?