What can Tiger teach us about Shocker Basketball?

[Speed]

I'm by far less of a fan of Tiger Woods after the statement. First of all, if he had somethig to say, he should of said it & not read it.
It was thoughtful to apologize to his employees & family & to take responsibility.
But, he's hiding in his therapy while his wife takes care of his kids. He lost me when he had to have therapy to deal with his success & his excesses. Therapy is nothing more than a retreat where he gets to learn justification for his actions. If he's sorry, grow up & deal with your problems. DOn't run off to a little retraeat to hide. Oh and learn to drive. Most people can back out of their drive way w/o hurting themselves. If you have all of that lavish luxury & entitlement, do your neighborhodd a favor & hire a driver.
As far as the title to the thread, I don't think Tiger teaches us much. For the most part, WSU basketball has been lacking gaudy results. WSU fans are loyal to their team through the ups & downs. We work hard in our lives & work hard to support the team. While we might have been frustrated by a bad loss, we still support our team & look forward to the future & plan to support our team into that future.

Wow, don't quite know where to start with this one here but I'll try.

I have always admired Tiger's golfing talent and have respected him as an athlete, but when it comes down to it he is just a man just like you and me. Your comment regarding him reading his statement instead of just talking off the cuff makes me laugh. Tiger is not an entertainer. He has been a very private person throughout his whole career. We have always known very little about Tiger the man. I don't know how you can expect the guy to make an off the cuff 15 minute statement and possibly expect him to be able to do that successfully. Very few people in the world could do that.

However, the one comment that I have a problem with that you stated is your statement regarding him going away to a retreat while he leaves his wife to take care of his kids. You have obviously not had the misfortune of watching someone close to you deal with addiction or demons. For the majority of people in the world it is not as simple as snapping your fingers and then suddenly you can be on the right path and your life is hunky dory swell. More than likely this addiction/demon will be the toughest opponent Tiger will ever battle in his life. I respect his decision to make this his top priority and hope that he can come out of this a better man for both his wife and his kids sake.

Actually I have had that experience. I don't have the space, time or energy to describe the experiences. I have heard the quote from treatment facilities that a person needs to go 7 times to get it right. That is 7 mos. that person leaves, work, family & all responsibilities behind.
Addiction & these treatment facilities give these people justification for actions result in unreasonable treatment of other people. I once visited someone on such a vacation.
A group was sitting on a patio one summer evening laughing at how they hid their substances. This scum-bag car salesman thought he was pretty smart to come up with the hiding places he did. So he sat there, laughed & bragged about himself while his wife was taking care of real life. The family I have tried to support through their addictions has seen those that have tried treatment do so multiple times.
Tiger is going to his little retreat to hide. If he knows right from wrong, practice those actions & quit hiding.

[Hurley]

re:

Here's an example of what's wrong with our news media:

This morning Good Morning America's top story was that Tiger was having a press conference. For 7 minutes they talked about it. GMA's second story? The man who crashed a plane into the IRS building in Texas, killing himself and one other and destroying a federal building in the process.

Really? A gossip story about someone's sexual escapades is the top story? That's more important than what happened in Texas? You gotta be kidding me.

[bloodgold]

People should pick their role models carefully. For example, no one should select a role model based upon their ability to hit a little white ball with a club.

[MadaboutWu]

I'll I have to say is "Boo!!!"

j/k

[MadaboutWu]

Maybe we could get a boo emoticon? Only to be used for the refs of course.

[Kung Wu]

A group was sitting on a patio one summer evening laughing at how they hid their substances. This scum-bag car salesman thought he was pretty smart to come up with the hiding places he did. So he sat there, laughed & bragged about himself while his wife was taking care of real life. The family I have tried to support through their addictions has seen those that have tried treatment do so multiple times.
Tiger is going to his little retreat to hide. If he knows right from wrong, practice those actions & quit hiding.

So you are saying he is returning so that he can shtoop his therapist, because that's what all people at treatment do, is try and beat the system?

[Maggie]

The short answer to your question Fredster is: Nothing.

I would applaud Tiger for his remarks this morning. I would not assume the cynical posture, even if it is understandable, many observers have already assumed. It’s easy to critique a speech after it has been given. But I'm not sure why he had to appear on TV at all. He says what's going on now is between him and his family. So have it be so. That said, the format and ground rules were different than many of us would have preferred or recommended, but we’re not Tiger.

I give him credit for saying “I’m sorry,” for acknowledging his responsibility for his behavior and for seeking and asking for help. Words like “irresponsible,” “selfish,” “unfaithful,” “affair,” and “shame” replaced the words like “mistake” and “indiscretion” that we often hear from people who have failed morally. And I’m glad he talked about things like shame and selfishness. I think his ownership of his behavior and its consequences is commendable.

I wish him good luck. But if he asked me for advice it would be as follows: After today - don't even think about getting back in front of cameras. If it happens, it will happen and should only happen once you've worked on things that matter most.

[RoyalShock]

Wow, don't quite know where to start with this one here but I'll try.

I have always admired Tiger's golfing talent and have respected him as an athlete, but when it comes down to it he is just a man just like you and me. Your comment regarding him reading his statement instead of just talking off the cuff makes me laugh. Tiger is not an entertainer. He has been a very private person throughout his whole career. We have always known very little about Tiger the man. I don't know how you can expect the guy to make an off the cuff 15 minute statement and possibly expect him to be able to do that successfully. Very few people in the world could do that.

However, the one comment that I have a problem with that you stated is your statement regarding him going away to a retreat while he leaves his wife to take care of his kids. You have obviously not had the misfortune of watching someone close to you deal with addiction or demons. For the majority of people in the world it is not as simple as snapping your fingers and then suddenly you can be on the right path and your life is hunky dory swell. More than likely this addiction/demon will be the toughest opponent Tiger will ever battle in his life. I respect his decision to make this his top priority and hope that he can come out of this a better man for both his wife and his kids sake.

Actually I have had that experience. I don't have the space, time or energy to describe the experiences. I have heard the quote from treatment facilities that a person needs to go 7 times to get it right. That is 7 mos. that person leaves, work, family & all responsibilities behind.
Addiction & these treatment facilities give these people justification for actions result in unreasonable treatment of other people. I once visited someone on such a vacation.
A group was sitting on a patio one summer evening laughing at how they hid their substances. This scum-bag car salesman thought he was pretty smart to come up with the hiding places he did. So he sat there, laughed & bragged about himself while his wife was taking care of real life. The family I have tried to support through their addictions has seen those that have tried treatment do so multiple times.
Tiger is going to his little retreat to hide. If he knows right from wrong, practice those actions & quit hiding.

I obviously don't know your experience either, but in my experience shocks771's 2nd paragraph is spot on. When someone's past actions or the actions of others against them reach a point that it must be dealt with, the daily routine must be altered and a portion devoted to the healing or behavior modification process, or it won't happen. Distractions need to be minimized. In his case he can afford to completely pull back and address it full-time, a luxury not everyone can afford.

While I think Tiger is a control freak and probably also has an ego problem, you would have to be calling him a liar to say his therapy involves justification of his actions when he just said he realizes that the boundaries that apply to everyone else, also apply to him. For now I will take him at his word that he now believes it to be true. Every other professional athlete should take that statement to heart so they don't end up in the same situation.

[RoyalShock]

Re: re:

Here's an example of what's wrong with our news media:

This morning Good Morning America's top story was that Tiger was having a press conference. For 7 minutes they talked about it. GMA's second story? The man who crashed a plane into the IRS building in Texas, killing himself and one other and destroying a federal building in the process.

Really? A gossip story about someone's sexual escapades is the top story? That's more important than what happened in Texas? You gotta be kidding me.

Good observation. And to answer your question, yes. It is more important to a lot of people, particularly those who have time to watch GMA. (Not that there's anything wrong with that ;) )

[ShockCity]

I'm a fan of Tiger as a golfer! That's all he is and all he should be to the media and the public.

I could give a flip less what he does in his personal life. He is a private person and there is nothing wrong with that. He doesn't owe the media or the public an apology or an explanation for anything. The only people he owes this to is his family. It is strictly between he and them. I can seperate Tiger the golfer from Tiger the person because he is there for entertainment only. People who think he has to be a role model and has to do this or that or owes them something are delusional.

[Speed]

A group was sitting on a patio one summer evening laughing at how they hid their substances. This scum-bag car salesman thought he was pretty smart to come up with the hiding places he did. So he sat there, laughed & bragged about himself while his wife was taking care of real life. The family I have tried to support through their addictions has seen those that have tried treatment do so multiple times.
Tiger is going to his little retreat to hide. If he knows right from wrong, practice those actions & quit hiding.

So you are saying he is returning so that he can shtoop his therapist, because that's what all people at treatment do, is try and beat the system?

No I'm saying it is easier to hide in a retreat & have people feed you justifications & excuses than it is to deal with the discomfort that he caused. He knew right from wrong. He just didn't want to follow whatever rules would respect his family. It is easy to say I went to a retreat & emerged a fixed person than earning that respect with actions.
But what better place to get laid than a bldg of sex addicts. Might be able to find some kinky stuff going on in there...maybe I should go.

[wsushox1]

I'm a fan of Tiger as a golfer! That's all he is and all he should be to the media and the public.

I could give a flip less what he does in his personal life. He is a private person and there is nothing wrong with that. He doesn't owe the media or the public an apology or an explanation for anything. The only people he owes this to is his family. It is strictly between he and them. I can seperate Tiger the golfer from Tiger the person because he is there for entertainment only. People who think he has to be a role model and has to do this or that or owes them something are delusional.

:good: :good:

[Kung Wu]

A group was sitting on a patio one summer evening laughing at how they hid their substances. This scum-bag car salesman thought he was pretty smart to come up with the hiding places he did. So he sat there, laughed & bragged about himself while his wife was taking care of real life. The family I have tried to support through their addictions has seen those that have tried treatment do so multiple times.
Tiger is going to his little retreat to hide. If he knows right from wrong, practice those actions & quit hiding.

So you are saying he is returning so that he can shtoop his therapist, because that's what all people at treatment do, is try and beat the system?

No I'm saying it is easier to hide in a retreat & have people feed you justifications & excuses than it is to deal with the discomfort that he caused.

Of course it's easier. That's the purpose! To HELP you. If it were harder than trying to solve it yourself then what would be the point?!

He knew right from wrong. He just didn't want to follow whatever rules would respect his family.

Agreed. And he is paying a very public and very expensive price for that behavior.

It is easy to say I went to a retreat & emerged a fixed person than earning that respect with actions.

Yes it is. But it would be difficult to intentionally lie (what you are insinuating) when you are the greatest golfer that ever lived and know that the whole world will be watching your every next step. He deserves the benefit of the doubt, just like you and I would want, and if he is a liar we will all certainly know about it (unlike you and I).

But what better place to get laid than a bldg of sex addicts. Might be able to find some kinky stuff going on in there...maybe I should go.

You digress.

[RoyalShock]

No I'm saying it is easier to hide in a retreat & have people feed you justifications & excuses than it is to deal with the discomfort that he caused. He knew right from wrong. He just didn't want to follow whatever rules would respect his family. It is easy to say I went to a retreat & emerged a fixed person than earning that respect with actions.
But what better place to get laid than a bldg of sex addicts. Might be able to find some kinky stuff going on in there...maybe I should go.

What is your basis for the allegation that all he is receiving is justifications and excuses for his actions? Or that he's targeting some facility you know nothing about so he can room up with a bunch of other sex addicts for his own gratification?

Bottom line is that he can't properly deal with the personal relationships he damaged without seeking help for the behavior that caused it. If his wife has half a brain, she wouldn't even consider accepting him back until he dealt with the addiction.

[Speed]

]But what better place to get laid than a bldg of sex addicts. Might be able to find some kinky stuff going on in there...maybe I should go.

You digress.[/quote]
Yes I do. :yahoo: