Marshall and Kyles

[wsushox1]

David Kyles did EXACTLY what he was told to do in shooting the open 3s last night. They are trying to build his confidence. David's main issue right now is a lack of confidence while on the floor. He gets down on himself entirely too easy and it lasts way too long.

And whomever said that Demetric is getting a pass from Gregg doesn't watch very closely.

Demetric will, in all likelihood, end the season without any measurable ass.

It has been all but chewed off to date.

A+ post there. :good: :good:

At the beginning of the year I was in a terrible shooting slump. I couldn't make anything but I kept shooting and they started to fall. Shooters just keep shooting.

[BOBB]

You're always in a better position if the coach is riding your ass. When the coach stops doing that and you're not pulling a triple double in 36 minutes a game, it's time to start looking for schools closer to home or where there's a beach.

[MTXE]

David Kyles did EXACTLY what he was told to do in shooting the open 3s last night.

Yes, it is quite clear that coach loves for the team to jack up the long ball. In the post-game Durley was asked if coach got on them at half-time for not getting the inside game going in the first period and he said "naw". That pretty much says it all right there. Perhaps HCGM subscribes to Arg's philosophy of "shooting your way out of a zone".

The funny thing is, I distinctly remember J.T. being the player who got the game turned around, and he didn't do it by shooting. He did it by catching in the medium to high post and going strong to the basket drawing fouls.

It takes a lot of effort to beat a zone if you are not sinking your outside shots. Thank goodness the team was able to will itself into making the necessary effort.

[1979Shocker]

David Kyles did EXACTLY what he was told to do in shooting the open 3s last night.

Yes, it is quite clear that coach loves for the team to jack up the long ball. In the post-game Durley was asked if coach got on them at half-time for not getting the inside game going in the first period and he said "naw". That pretty much says it all right there. Perhaps HCGM subscribes to Arg's philosophy of "shooting your way out of a zone".

The funny thing is, I distinctly remember J.T. being the player who got the game turned around, and he didn't do it by shooting. He did it by catching in the medium to high post and going strong to the basket drawing fouls.

It takes a lot of effort to beat a zone if you are not sinking your outside shots. Thank goodness the team was able to will itself into making the necessary effort.

The reason they were shooting the outside shot so much in the first half is because ISU was packing it in so much that if they didn't take the outside shot, they'd end up having a shot clock violation every time down court.

[kcshocker11]

Usually you have to drain outside shots to break a zone

[The Mad Hatter]

David Kyles did EXACTLY what he was told to do in shooting the open 3s last night.

Yes, it is quite clear that coach loves for the team to jack up the long ball. In the post-game Durley was asked if coach got on them at half-time for not getting the inside game going in the first period and he said "naw". That pretty much says it all right there. Perhaps HCGM subscribes to Arg's philosophy of "shooting your way out of a zone".

The funny thing is, I distinctly remember J.T. being the player who got the game turned around, and he didn't do it by shooting. He did it by catching in the medium to high post and going strong to the basket drawing fouls.

It takes a lot of effort to beat a zone if you are not sinking your outside shots. Thank goodness the team was able to will itself into making the necessary effort.

So let me get this straight:

1. Marshall has a consistent philosophy about what a good shot is and expects his team to conform to that philosophy.

2. Marshall's coaching philosophy has resulted in conference championships, NCAA appearance, and many 20 win seasons at the schools he has coached at, including our current 20 win season.

What is the problem again?

[MTXE]

David Kyles did EXACTLY what he was told to do in shooting the open 3s last night.

Yes, it is quite clear that coach loves for the team to jack up the long ball. In the post-game Durley was asked if coach got on them at half-time for not getting the inside game going in the first period and he said "naw". That pretty much says it all right there. Perhaps HCGM subscribes to Arg's philosophy of "shooting your way out of a zone".

The funny thing is, I distinctly remember J.T. being the player who got the game turned around, and he didn't do it by shooting. He did it by catching in the medium to high post and going strong to the basket drawing fouls.

It takes a lot of effort to beat a zone if you are not sinking your outside shots. Thank goodness the team was able to will itself into making the necessary effort.

So let me get this straight:

1. Marshall has a consistent philosophy about what a good shot is and expects his team to conform to that philosophy.

2. Marshall's coaching philosophy has resulted in conference championships, NCAA appearance, and many 20 win seasons at the schools he has coached at, including our current 20 win season.

What is the problem again?

I don't have a problem per se. I just made a comment that HCGM likes to see the 3-balls fly. :)

If we are going to haul a ton of bricks onto the floor, I would prefer them to be closer to the basket than farther away. You get a lot more chances to draw fouls that way. :)

No offense. This is just one FAN'S (thanks Dr. Wu) perspective. :)

[JaminShock]

David Kyles did EXACTLY what he was told to do in shooting the open 3s last night.

Yes, it is quite clear that coach loves for the team to jack up the long ball. In the post-game Durley was asked if coach got on them at half-time for not getting the inside game going in the first period and he said "naw". That pretty much says it all right there. Perhaps HCGM subscribes to Arg's philosophy of "shooting your way out of a zone".

The funny thing is, I distinctly remember J.T. being the player who got the game turned around, and he didn't do it by shooting. He did it by catching in the medium to high post and going strong to the basket drawing fouls.

It takes a lot of effort to beat a zone if you are not sinking your outside shots. Thank goodness the team was able to will itself into making the necessary effort.

So let me get this straight:

1. Marshall has a consistent philosophy about what a good shot is and expects his team to conform to that philosophy.

2. Marshall's coaching philosophy has resulted in conference championships, NCAA appearance, and many 20 win seasons at the schools he has coached at, including our current 20 win season.

What is the problem again?

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

[The Mad Hatter]

David Kyles did EXACTLY what he was told to do in shooting the open 3s last night.

Yes, it is quite clear that coach loves for the team to jack up the long ball. In the post-game Durley was asked if coach got on them at half-time for not getting the inside game going in the first period and he said "naw". That pretty much says it all right there. Perhaps HCGM subscribes to Arg's philosophy of "shooting your way out of a zone".

The funny thing is, I distinctly remember J.T. being the player who got the game turned around, and he didn't do it by shooting. He did it by catching in the medium to high post and going strong to the basket drawing fouls.

It takes a lot of effort to beat a zone if you are not sinking your outside shots. Thank goodness the team was able to will itself into making the necessary effort.

So let me get this straight:

1. Marshall has a consistent philosophy about what a good shot is and expects his team to conform to that philosophy.

2. Marshall's coaching philosophy has resulted in conference championships, NCAA appearance, and many 20 win seasons at the schools he has coached at, including our current 20 win season.

What is the problem again?

I don't have a problem per se. I just made a comment that HCGM likes to see the 3-balls fly. :)

If we are going to haul a ton of bricks onto the floor, I would prefer them to be closer to the basket than farther away. You get a lot more chances to draw fouls that way. :)

No offense. This is just one FAN'S (thanks Dr. Wu) perspective. :)

So to summarize:

You don't have a problem with Marshall's approach, you just don't want us to follow it.

[Aargh]

1) Marshall makes about $1Mill a year coaching basketball
2) Pretty much everybody expects Marshall will be gone in maybe 3 - 5 years when someone offers him probably double what he's making now.
3) MTXE knows more about coaching than Marshall.
4) Therefore, we seem to have an upper-echelon BCS coach blessing our humble message board with his presence.

I would think that with such a lofty coaching pedigree, it would take too much time away from preparing a team for a run at a NC to be able to post here. Ah, but I guess when one knows everything, including how to make kids unfailingly understand and execute everything, that there's plenty of time for posting on message boards.

I've got it, MTXE isn't Cold, MTXE is John Wooden. John has plenty of time to post on message boards now.

[ShockTalk]

Disagreeing with HCGM doesn't neccesarily mean one doesn't like the way he coaches or that one thinks they know more than the coach. This is a discussion board and we all have differing opinions about aspects of the game. As long as one is not condescending or rude to other posters, the players, or coaches, those points can be discussed.

I have never been a fan of simply shooting your way out to defeat a zone, particularly when a number of "chambers" in those guns have bullets missing.

As an example (and hopefully this will blow up in my face when we play them): Utah St has a team 3pt% of .416 with 6 players shooting .389 or better with the top player at .478. Yes, they can have a bad shooting game, but they appear to be much more loaded to break a zone by simply shooting 3s.

On the other hand: WSU's team 3pt% is .358 with only 3 players above .384 with our top player at .426 (that's almost Utah St's average for the team). The player who shoots the third highest # of 3s is at .365 with the remaining 3 players (that shoot 3s) are all below .300.

One advantage we may have on a Utah St, and many teams, is our athleticism. Quick player movement, fast passing, penetration, and leaping abilities should be our ally in busting a zone. I did not expect to see, this late into the season, a minimum of 3 of our players merely standing around, holding the ball, making slow passes, then jacking up outside shots as the clock runs down as was done the first 31 minutes of the last game.

I may be over-rating our current ability or expecting too much too soon. I do know that I'm exteremely glad we have HCGM and really like the players (both as persons and players) he has brought in.

:wsu_posters:

[MTXE]

Disagreeing with HCGM doesn't neccesarily mean one doesn't like the way he coaches or that one thinks they know more than the coach. This is a discussion board and we all have differing opinions about aspects of the game. As long as one is not condescending or rude to other posters, the players, or coaches, those points can be discussed.

I have never been a fan of simply shooting your way out to defeat a zone, particularly when a number of "chambers" in those guns have bullets missing.

As an example (and hopefully this will blow up in my face when we play them): Utah St has a team 3pt% of .416 with 6 players shooting .389 or better with the top player at .478. Yes, they can have a bad shooting game, but they appear to be much more loaded to break a zone by simply shooting 3s.

On the other hand: WSU's team 3pt% is .358 with only 3 players above .384 with our top player at .426 (that's almost Utah St's average for the team). The player who shoots the third highest # of 3s is at .365 with the remaining 3 players (that shoot 3s) are all below .300.

One advantage we may have on a Utah St, and many teams, is our athleticism. Quick player movement, fast passing, penetration, and leaping abilities should be our ally in busting a zone. I did not expect to see, this late into the season, a minimum of 3 of our players merely standing around, holding the ball, making slow passes, then jacking up outside shots as the clock runs down as was done the first 31 minutes of the last game.

I may be over-rating our current ability or expecting too much too soon. I do know that I'm exteremely glad we have HCGM and really like the players (both as persons and players) he has brought in.

:wsu_posters:

I agree with everything you just said. This was a very good post.

[shock]

With regards to DK (whom i have affectionately nicknamed Donkey Kong), i think he will end up to be a high caliber player. i mean, he is only a sophomore, and just a kid. remember, even fine wine has to age a bit before it is any good. keep in mind the potential this player has. give him a chance and watch him grow. a rose bush isn't pretty, or even close, until flowers grow on it. give DK time, and give HCGM time, and i'm sure it will all end up okay. :D

[newshock1234]

i would send his ass back to dallas, he has just been down right embarrassing.

[DUShock]

One word for the core components of this team "potential". Will it be consistently achieved?