Help me out on this hate Creighton thing

[shocklight]

P'unk kicking the ball into the student section, of course no ref saw it and Dana didn't pull him.

The Screw at the Lew!

In the Ryan Sears and Nate Funk days, I always thought of them like I do now with UNI. Though hard nose and well coached. Now Dana has that attitude he and his program are special, it just doesn't sit well in Wichita.

[shockball]

I don't think Altman was in 'over his head' at K-State...as I recall he did fairly well there..then K-State slid into the dumper for a prolonged period of time after he left.

I've got the same recollection. Altman wasn't in over his head. KSU was in over its head for a long time when he left.

Altman won in Allen Field House. Altman took KSU to the NCAA tourney. I think it was more than a decade before either of those happened again.

At the time KSU felt Altman was in over his head. What a ridiculous sentiment. He quit KSU and built CU up. KSU floundered.

[Veritas]

Stated very simply, in terms that you can easily identify with:

CU is to WSU, as KU is to KSU.

Really very similar dynamics.

Ricky, normally you're spot on, but in no way, shape, or form can you compare K-State's hate for KU with WSU's tepid interest with CU.

I've never much got into the rivalry thing with CU, though the last loss in Omaha got under my skin. Their team seemed like a bunch of chumps going up against a well oiled machine that kept having its gears stopped by someone throwing in a monkey wrench.

CU's a nice, small school with a generally over-rated basketball team that draws a lot of UNL fans to their games.

WSU has no rival in the Valley, and the conitnued talk of CU being a rival to WSU gives them more credibility and swollen heads than anything they accomplish on their own.

[henrycarrfan]

Like Marty Moose, I've had unfortunate run in's with CU fans at St. Louis as well. I will NEVER forget when we lost to them I believe in 2005 and they stood by the exits screaming and spitting "NIT" in our faces. It was very unsportsmanship like and ridiculous. I would have been embarassed if had seen a WSU fan do that.

[Wuzee]

I started hating Altman when he brought his KSU team into Levitt just after John Cooper was lost for the season.

They won on a final-possession shot and Altman, asked about Cooper's absence, said something to the effect of "It wasn't a factor, because they got everything Cooper would've given them from Calvin Thomas" (who scored around 13, I think, but obviously had nowhere near the impact on the game that a John Cooper would have.)

I thought that was a pretty low-class statement, and representative of his disdain for the Shocker program.

I wish him only difficult BMs for the rest of his life.

[SB Shock]

I don't think Altman was in 'over his head' at K-State...as I recall he did fairly well there..then K-State slid into the dumper for a prolonged period of time after he left.

Depends on what you mean by pretty well.

'90-91 13-15 8th in B8
'91-92 16-14 8th in B8, NIT
'92-93 19-11 7th in B8, NCAA Tournament
'93-94 20-14 T-6 in B8, NIT

Next year after he left KSU was 12-15 - which would be a program full of Altman recruits.

Asbury then went
17-12 4th, NCAA Tourny
10-17 T10,
17-12 T7, NIT
20-13 T7, NIT
9-19 12,

Not much different between Asbury or Altman (both were lower division programs) with about the same post season success.

Altman Conference Record 19-37 33%
Asbury Conference Record 29-63 32%

Asbury was split between the Big 8 and B12

[shockball]

I don't think Altman was in 'over his head' at K-State...as I recall he did fairly well there..then K-State slid into the dumper for a prolonged period of time after he left.

Depends on what you mean by pretty well.

'90-91 13-15 8th in B8
'91-92 16-14 8th in B8, NIT
'92-93 19-11 7th in B8, NCAA Tournament
'93-94 20-14 T-6 in B8, NIT

Next year after he left KSU was 12-15 - which would be a program full of Altman recruits.

Asbury then went
17-12 4th, NCAA Tourny
10-17 T10,
17-12 T7, NIT
20-13 T7, NIT
9-19 12,

Not much different between Asbury or Altman (both were lower division programs) with about the same post season success.

Altman Conference Record 19-37 33%
Asbury Conference Record 29-63 32%

Asbury was split between the Big 8 and B12

Altman increased his wins each year. Asbury coaching Altman's recruits is like Phelps coaching Keno Davis's team (two preseason MVC picks) last year.

[ISASO]

Showing my knowledge of KSU hoops, I can say this:

Altman's biggest problem at K-State was that he wasn't born in Silver Lake, Kansas.

If you know what I mean.

[RoyalShock]

The Bluejay hate thing can be summed up in three words . . .



Hatin' Creighton rhymes.

[1972Shocker]

floor slap

Did you catch HCGM's shot at the floor slap during the UNI pregame show.

:D

[ShockerPrez]

Are you inferring that there are people who don't hate sCUm?

I don't think that my mind can comprehend this.

[ShockerEngr]

Are you inferring that there are people who don't hate sCUm?

I don't think that my mind can comprehend this.

maybe the priest they bring with them?

[jocoshock]

Class warfare on Shockernet.... Is hell freezing over? 8) :bball_spin:

[BCSCat]

Showing my knowledge of KSU hoops, I can say this:

Altman's biggest problem at K-State was that he wasn't born in Silver Lake, Kansas.

If you know what I mean.

Spot on. Though had Dana made an Elite 8 like Kruger he would have been fine.

[Rosewood]

I don't need a reason to hate