Coaching 101..

[swish1]

you bring up a fair point. i should admit that people blaming officials for losses is the biggest pet peeve i have since truly good and/or great teams dont put themselves in those positions. officials are people and make mistakes, to claim they have a vendetta against the shockers is extremely childish imo...

but if you notice after most losses, esp close losses, people blame the refs rightly so or not.

on a slightly related topic, creighton does seem to get more calls in omaha. this isnt based just off of wsu games. dont know if it is true or not but it just seems that way.

home teams in general get better calls. anyone that ever blames the officials for a loss is an idiot and imo deserves to be called out for it.

[ShockerFever]

you bring up a fair point. i should admit that people blaming officials for losses is the biggest pet peeve i have since truly good and/or great teams dont put themselves in those positions. officials are people and make mistakes, to claim they have a vendetta against the shockers is extremely childish imo...

but if you notice after most losses, esp close losses, people blame the refs rightly so or not.

on a slightly related topic, creighton does seem to get more calls in omaha. this isnt based just off of wsu games. dont know if it is true or not but it just seems that way.

home teams in general get better calls. anyone that ever blames the officials for a loss is an idiot and imo deserves to be called out for it.

You're an idiot for two reasons:

1.) Your reading comp sucks royally
2.) You are shockerfanmas's cousin

[vancedave56]

WSU FT 11-18 61%
CU FT 22-30 73%

WSU FG 19-52 37%
CU FG 15-46 33%

WSU 3PT 7-21 33%
CU 3PT 5-16 29%

WSU REB 40
CU REB 32

WSU PF 25
CU PF 16

WSU TO 14
CU TO 9

If you just look at the stats, and take all the personal attacks out of the equation, this is what I see.

CU had many more FT attempts - we fouled way too much. The other problem with this, is the teams more or less reversed their FT shooting percentages. If we had shot our normal average, we would have won.

We turned the ball over too many times - and they scored off of our turnovers.

Other than that, both teams played defense, we out rebounded them as we should.

Number of free throws (and lack of making them) combined with turnovers (and CU scoring off of them) killed us.

Next.

[Ashockalypse]

Swish, you said it on your previous post. You are not too bright.

[60Shock]

We lost for a multiply number of reasons, few which had anything to do with coaching.

1. We couldn't hit the broadside of a pizza parlor whether it was one from one foot or 20 feet away. At least three times we had three consecutive shots under the basket and came away with no points and no fouls.

2. We commited numerous stupid, stupid fouls which were totally unecessary (especially when you already have racked up three previous ones). Sure, we got called much more often than CU, but we contributed mightedly to that effort.

3, Little bounced right for us and every ball bounced right for CU. That is just the breaks and you can't do anything about that.

4. You don't win too many games when you have five players out of nine (whom all played significant minutes), score 2, 2, 4, 3, and 0 points.

5. There are too many reasons why we lost to blame it on the refs, but there were two horrible calls that were even commented on by the ESPN guys. One, when the CU player got awarded the lay-up after being fouled a significant distance away from the basket and TM not getting a foul shot when hacked to pieces.

[pinstripers]

Couple things I thought odd....on TM's play, they mentioned that the "hanging on the rim" might have aided the ball going into the basket, when the replay showed that the second BJ slapped the ball after it was coming off the glass. It doesn't matter, as the shot counted anyway, but I thought that was strange. Also, on the "continuation" play, didn't sweet P drop his shoulder and initiate contact? I'd like SR or Sub to comment on that one.

[im4wsu]

Re: Coaching 101..

To seek credibility from an anonymous message board hmm... no thanks. :) I just drop an occasional opinion every now and then.

I sure wouldn't want to claim those, but to each his own.

[Ricardo del Rio]

MTXE=Cold=banned

For the last time, I can assure this forum that MTXE is not Cold Blooded.

[Aargh]

What are all these references to Altman doing such a great job with "a skeleton crew". CU played 12 guys against WSU in Omaha and played 13 in the game in Wichita.

Saying it that way makes it sound like CU only had a few scholarshi0p players they could put on the court, when in fact CU had the deepest team we've seen all year. It really doesn't get deeper than 12 or 13 in college ball.

Lies. Back-handed compliments meant to degrade rather than congratulate. Innuendo to disguise the disgust with the Shockers that's evident in the posts. Twisting words and using "catch phrases" like a politician to skew everything possible in the most negative light possible for WSU. What a great fan we have.

MTXE probably makes over a million dollars a year coaching basketball. That's how he knows so much more about it than Marshall. I didn't know U8 biddy ball payed that well.

[Snapshot9]

The Shox handled Creighton's 3/4 court press very badly. The Shox need to work on that. That was when Creighton went out in front of us and began pulling away.

[shox1989]

The Shox handled Creighton's 3/4 court press very badly. The Shox need to work on that. That was when Creighton went out in front of us and began pulling away.

It was also while Clevin Hannah was sitting on the bench.

[SB Shock]

The Shox handled Creighton's 3/4 court press very badly. The Shox need to work on that. That was when Creighton went out in front of us and began pulling away.

It was also while Clevin Hannah was sitting on the bench.

Yesterday was just very disappointing. The lack of poise by the team, the inability of other to step up in Hannah absence. This probably points to a bigger issue - Marshall is going to have to address the PG situation or WSU may take a step back next year (and I'm not to confident where this team is going to finish this year).

What really worries me this year is WSU could be back into the same situation it was in last year. UNI is basically schooling the league and the rest of the league is a bloodbath. It is probably just as likely that UNI will win Tuesday. Drake will be no cake walk if they are shooting well, then their is Illinois St. and then back to SIU. WSU could go from looking like a contender to be fighting to stay out of the play-in game in a 4 game stretch.

[Overtime]

We've had a pretty good run...That was just a bad game...we lost for all the reasons previously mentioned..and still had a shot at the end despite our poor play...I think we will come back so I'm not that upset...I would love to have a tie breaker with them in St Louis

[MTXE]

when in fact CU had the deepest team we've seen all year.

There are a lot of comments I could have responded to in this thread but I chose this one.

Wow.

[Aargh]

when in fact CU had the deepest team we've seen all year.

There are a lot of comments I could have responded to in this thread but I chose this one.

Wow.

Wow??

What team played 13 or 14 players against us?

But rather than just name a team that's played deeper against WSU than CU, why don't you explain how playing with 12 and 13 players is possibly defined as Altman playing with "a skeleton crew"?