Three point shooting

[SpanglerFan316]

Part of my motivation in looking at the MVC Statistics pages was a question about our three point shooting. In particular, someone said Murry was a better three point shooter than Hatch. Since it is a slow day, I thought I might look into the team's 3-pt shooting.

http://www.mvc.org/mbb/stats/CONFLDRS.HTM

3-POINT FG PCT Cl GP 3FG 3FGA Pct
1. Ahelegbe, Kwadzo-UNI JR 8 10 17 .588
2. Koch, Adam-UNI SR 8 9 17 .529
3. Leonard,Adam-MSU JR 9 26 53 .491
4. Wragge,Ethan-CU FR 9 21 43 .488
5. Freeman,Tony-SIU SR 6 20 41 .488
6. Templeton, Adam-DU SR 10 18 39 .462
7. Hatch, Graham-WSU JR 10 16 35 .457
8. Weems,Kyle-MSU SO 9 19 43 .442
9. Wedel, Ryan-DU JR 10 22 50 .440
Marshall, Harry-INS SR 9 11 25 .440
11. Ryan, Colt-UE FR 7 13 31 .419
12. Roberts, Chris-BU SR 9 10 25 .400
13. Printy, Jordan-INS SO 9 9 23 .391
14. Farokhmanesh, Ali-UNI SR 8 16 41 .390
15. Eldridge,Osiris-ILS SR 9 24 62 .387
16. Korver,Kaleb-CU JR 9 11 29 .379
17. Maniscalco, Sam-BU JR 9 14 38 .368
Young, Josh-DU SR 9 14 38 .368
19. Simons, Ben-DU FR 10 19 52 .365
20. Rubin,Alex-ILS JR 9 9 25 .360
21. Warren, Andrew-BU JR 9 19 53 .358
22. Murry, Toure'-WSU SO 10 17 48 .354
23. Ashford,Darryl-CU JR 9 12 35 .343
24. Stinnett,P'Allen-CU JR 9 12 36 .333
25. Reed, Rashad-INS SR 9 14 43 .326
26. Fay,Carlton-SIU JR 7 8 26 .308
27. Dillard,Kevin-SIU SO 7 10 33 .303
28. Phillips,Lloyd-ILS SR 9 12 42 .286


3-POINT FG MADE Cl GP 3FG Avg/G
1. Freeman,Tony-SIU SR 6 20 3.3
2. Leonard,Adam-MSU JR 9 26 2.9
3. Eldridge,Osiris-ILS SR 9 24 2.7
4. Wragge,Ethan-CU FR 9 21 2.3
5. Wedel, Ryan-DU JR 10 22 2.2
6. Weems,Kyle-MSU SO 9 19 2.1
Warren, Andrew-BU JR 9 19 2.1
8. Farokhmanesh, Ali-UNI SR 8 16 2.0
9. Simons, Ben-DU FR 10 19 1.9
10. Ryan, Colt-UE FR 7 13 1.9
11. Templeton, Adam-DU SR 10 18 1.8
12. Murry, Toure'-WSU SO 10 17 1.7
13. Hatch, Graham-WSU JR 10 16 1.6
14. Young, Josh-DU SR 9 14 1.6
Maniscalco, Sam-BU JR 9 14 1.6
Reed, Rashad-INS SR 9 14 1.6

If Murry was our second best three point shooter at 35.4% and the team percentage was 35.9%, then imagine what the team percentage would be without Hatch. It is strange that the team's percentage is higher than the shooting percentage of the second best three point shooter.

3-POINT FG PCT G 3FGM 3FGA Pct
1. Missouri State 9 65 152 .428
2. Drake 10 91 226 .403
3. Southern Illinois 7 55 145 .379
4. Northern Iowa 8 52 138 .377
5. Evansville 7 27 74 .365
6. Bradley 9 61 169 .361
7. Wichita State 10 61 170 .359
8. Indiana State 9 52 148 .351
9. Creighton 9 74 213 .347
10. Illinois State 9 53 175 .303

[ShockerKhan]

It appears UNI likes to shoot the trey and has been pretty successful so far this season.
We'll see how that works for them on 1/19/2010. :wsu_posters:

[Born2Shock]

Our team % is solid this year, but not spectacular, however, I would be curious to know what it was if the last couple minutes of "Bryce Mayes Heave Fest" was taken out of consideration.

[The Mad Hatter]

Our team % is solid this year, but not spectacular, however, I would be curious to know what it was if the last couple minutes of "Bryce Mayes Heave Fest" was taken out of consideration.

On the season, we are shooting .359 from 3-point range. If you take out the 1-8 shooting by the walk-ons (Mayes and Brown), our average rises to .370.

[shockball]

Take Hatch's numbers out of the team statistics and we are at 33.3%.

Creighton and Drake really like to shoot the 3. Both have well over 200 attempts. It's not serving Creighton well, but it does cut down on their turnovers. :D

[ShockerFever]

A few of our 3's are quick and forced and a bit out of rhythm. Cut back on those and the percentage goes up.

[Dan]

can probably say the same thing about all those teams/players.

[SpanglerFan316]

Take Hatch's numbers out of the team statistics and we are at 33.3%.

Creighton and Drake really like to shoot the 3. Both have well over 200 attempts. It's not serving Creighton well, but it does cut down on their turnovers. :D

WSU shot 32.2% in 2008-9. https://admin.xosn.com/fls/7500/stat...DB_OEM_ID=7500

[RussDaBus]

Re: Three point shooting

Part of my motivation in looking at the MVC Statistics pages was a question about our three point shooting. In particular, someone said Murry was a better three point shooter than Hatch. Since it is a slow day, I thought I might look into the team's 3-pt shooting.

http://www.mvc.org/mbb/stats/CONFLDRS.HTM

3-POINT FG PCT Cl GP 3FG 3FGA Pct
1. Ahelegbe, Kwadzo-UNI JR 8 10 17 .588
2. Koch, Adam-UNI SR 8 9 17 .529
3. Leonard,Adam-MSU JR 9 26 53 .491
4. Wragge,Ethan-CU FR 9 21 43 .488
5. Freeman,Tony-SIU SR 6 20 41 .488
6. Templeton, Adam-DU SR 10 18 39 .462
7. Hatch, Graham-WSU JR 10 16 35 .457
8. Weems,Kyle-MSU SO 9 19 43 .442
9. Wedel, Ryan-DU JR 10 22 50 .440
Marshall, Harry-INS SR 9 11 25 .440
11. Ryan, Colt-UE FR 7 13 31 .419
12. Roberts, Chris-BU SR 9 10 25 .400
13. Printy, Jordan-INS SO 9 9 23 .391
14. Farokhmanesh, Ali-UNI SR 8 16 41 .390
15. Eldridge,Osiris-ILS SR 9 24 62 .387
16. Korver,Kaleb-CU JR 9 11 29 .379
17. Maniscalco, Sam-BU JR 9 14 38 .368
Young, Josh-DU SR 9 14 38 .368
19. Simons, Ben-DU FR 10 19 52 .365
20. Rubin,Alex-ILS JR 9 9 25 .360
21. Warren, Andrew-BU JR 9 19 53 .358
22. Murry, Toure'-WSU SO 10 17 48 .354
23. Ashford,Darryl-CU JR 9 12 35 .343
24. Stinnett,P'Allen-CU JR 9 12 36 .333
25. Reed, Rashad-INS SR 9 14 43 .326
26. Fay,Carlton-SIU JR 7 8 26 .308
27. Dillard,Kevin-SIU SO 7 10 33 .303
28. Phillips,Lloyd-ILS SR 9 12 42 .286


3-POINT FG MADE Cl GP 3FG Avg/G
1. Freeman,Tony-SIU SR 6 20 3.3
2. Leonard,Adam-MSU JR 9 26 2.9
3. Eldridge,Osiris-ILS SR 9 24 2.7
4. Wragge,Ethan-CU FR 9 21 2.3
5. Wedel, Ryan-DU JR 10 22 2.2
6. Weems,Kyle-MSU SO 9 19 2.1
Warren, Andrew-BU JR 9 19 2.1
8. Farokhmanesh, Ali-UNI SR 8 16 2.0
9. Simons, Ben-DU FR 10 19 1.9
10. Ryan, Colt-UE FR 7 13 1.9
11. Templeton, Adam-DU SR 10 18 1.8
12. Murry, Toure'-WSU SO 10 17 1.7
13. Hatch, Graham-WSU JR 10 16 1.6
14. Young, Josh-DU SR 9 14 1.6
Maniscalco, Sam-BU JR 9 14 1.6
Reed, Rashad-INS SR 9 14 1.6

If Murry was our second best three point shooter at 35.4% and the team percentage was 35.9%, then imagine what the team percentage would be without Hatch. It is strange that the team's percentage is higher than the shooting percentage of the second best three point shooter.

3-POINT FG PCT G 3FGM 3FGA Pct
1. Missouri State 9 65 152 .428
2. Drake 10 91 226 .403
3. Southern Illinois 7 55 145 .379
4. Northern Iowa 8 52 138 .377
5. Evansville 7 27 74 .365
6. Bradley 9 61 169 .361
7. Wichita State 10 61 170 .359
8. Indiana State 9 52 148 .351
9. Creighton 9 74 213 .347
10. Illinois State 9 53 175 .303

There is one important thing you might not realize. Clevin Hannah is our second best 3 point shooter. He averages a hair over 42% on the season. http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player...playerId=41906

He isn't included in the MVC stats as he has not yet gone over the 75% games played requirement to be included. He is at 70% now. After two more games he should be included (9 out of 12 games played).

Conference rankings if included.

He would be second in assists behind Dillard if he had played more games. He would also rank 3rd in FT%, 10th in steals/g, 11th in 3FG%, and 5th in A/TO ratio. Not bad at all!!!

[Ricardo del Rio]

Our team % is solid this year, but not spectacular, however, I would be curious to know what it was if the last couple minutes of "Bryce Mayes Heave Fest" was taken out of consideration.

On the season, we are shooting .359 from 3-point range. If you take out the 1-8 shooting by the walk-ons (Mayes and Brown), our average rises to .370.

Very good point.

Another modification one might consider is forced 3 ball attempts. We have at least one from the back court in an attempt to beat the game clock right before end of the first half. Also, we have thrown up several prayers as the shot clock was winding down near zero.

There is a curious aspect of Mayes' three ball attempts.

Some of his attempts were so ugly, one might never think he averaged 30 points per game in high school. So far, I have chalked it up to being nervous and inexperienced.

[Ricardo del Rio]

can probably say the same thing about all those teams/players.

Another good point.

[ShockerFever]

can probably say the same thing about all those teams/players.

Probably, but saying and doing are two different things.

[SpanglerFan316]

Another modification one might consider is forced 3 ball attempts. We have at least one from the back court in an attempt to beat the game clock right before end of the first half. Also, we have thrown up several prayers as the shot clock was winding down near zero.

There is a curious aspect of Mayes' three ball attempts.

Some of his attempts were so ugly, one might never think he averaged 30 points per game in high school. So far, I have chalked it up to being nervous and inexperienced.

A team with this much talent, especially with such balanced scoring, should not have a lot of beat the shot clock attempts. Do we?

As for Mayes, he has shown the ability in high school to score the three. He might have some defects (e.g. slow release) and might only be good on set plays but, assuming he can get his shot to fall, there are situations where a sniper can be useful. I know Hatch is married but having Hatch room with Mayes might do BM a lot of good.

Mayes might be even more useful playing as the opponent's sniper in practice. I don't expect him to ever get much playing time but Kim Wadsworth shows what a walk-on can do when opportunity knocks.

[SB Shock]

What is missing in those stats posted is Hannah who is 7 for 16 (43.8%). I suppose he's missing from there because of his 3 game suspension (doesn't have the minimum number of attempts to be considered).

WSU is shooting 38% when you ommit Mayes (1-6) and Williams (3 for 15). Outside of these guys, WSU lowest 3 point shooter is Durley 4-12.

[RussDaBus]

What is missing in those stats posted is Hannah who is 7 for 16 (43.8%). I suppose he's missing from there because of his 3 game suspension (doesn't have the minimum number of attempts to be considered).
WSU is shooting 38% when you ommit Mayes (1-6) and Williams (3 for 15). Outside of these guys, WSU lowest 3 point shooter is Durley 4-12.

Not trying to be mean, but didnt I post the exact same thing(only using up to date stats including the TCU game) about Hannah an hour ago?