Stop whining...

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1. Cold - if what you think is good basketball is what you have described, then I have a simple solution for you: Watch the NBA and let those of us that care about fundamentals and team play have college ball. The NBA is chock full of exactly the stuff you describe and you would enjoy it tremendously. March Madness is special precisely because it is something different than the NBA. You may not like it, but that is because you are not a college basketball fan. You are a pro basketball fan. The sooner you realize that the happier all of us will be.

2. Don't even try to pretend that WSU's Sweet 16 works in favor of your argument, because the exact opposite is true. Our Sweet 16 team didn't have a single guy that was NBA caliber. The closest was Paul and he only had a shot because he was theexact opposite of the traits you desire. He wasn't a skywalker. He wasn't a big dunker. He wasn't a shot blocker. He was a guy that played fundamentally sound ball, shared the basketball, established good position and played straight up (the defense you apparently dread because god forbid good defense lead to a missed shot not a blocked shot).

Our Sweet 16 team was exactly the kind of team you described as not being what you want to see in the NCAA's. One that isn't full of the best athletes or flashiest players, but plays the game well enough to beat the NBA caliber laden rosters of other schools.

Hear! Hear!

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1. Cold - if what you think is good basketball is what you have described, then I have a simple solution for you: Watch the NBA and let those of us that care about fundamentals and team play have college ball. The NBA is chock full of exactly the stuff you describe and you would enjoy it tremendously. March Madness is special precisely because it is something different than the NBA. You may not like it, but that is because you are not a college basketball fan. You are a pro basketball fan. The sooner you realize that the happier all of us will be.

2. Don't even try to pretend that WSU's Sweet 16 works in favor of your argument, because the exact opposite is true. Our Sweet 16 team didn't have a single guy that was NBA caliber. The closest was Paul and he only had a shot because he was theexact opposite of the traits you desire. He wasn't a skywalker. He wasn't a big dunker. He wasn't a shot blocker. He was a guy that played fundamentally sound ball, shared the basketball, established good position and played straight up (the defense you apparently dread because god forbid good defense lead to a missed shot not a blocked shot).

Our Sweet 16 team was exactly the kind of team you described as not being what you want to see in the NCAA's. One that isn't full of the best athletes or flashiest players, but plays the game well enough to beat the NBA caliber laden rosters of other schools.

Cold - if what you think is good basketball is what you have described, then I have a simple solution for you: Watch the NBA and let those of us that care about fundamentals and team play have college ball.

I don't like the NBA because the play is slow and lazy. I like to watch college ball that incorporates solid fundamental play with intensity and the highest caliber athletes in the game.

Just watch any Conference USA game with Memphis on one side of the scorecard. This is the definition of one team that is exciting, and another "Middie" that keeps it close WITH ONLY solid, fundamental play (because that is all they have). The result is one team getting about 8 blocks, 8 dunks, and 8 steals a game and winning easily.

Paul Miller might not be the most exciting center prospect for the NBA, but I can guarantee you he had NBA skills and potential. He played against some outstanding centers and power forwards and many times outplayed them. If you don't think Paul could play in the NBA you should see him now. He is twice the player he was in college. We started getting a lot of national pub because of Paul and Paul only. PJ got a little love but it was the big man that gathered lots of love for us.

He was a guy that played fundamentally sound ball, shared the basketball, established good position and played straight up (the defense you apparently dread because god forbid good defense lead to a missed shot not a blocked shot).

Hmm.. this comment smacks of lots of "other" issues. You sound like a few people I have talked to that wish we could raise the rim to 12 feet so all those "blankety blanks" couldn't dunk the ball all game. They always wish we could get back to "sound fundamental" basketball. You know, things like the two-handed chest shot and the under-handed free throw? :roll: :roll: :roll:

Your cover is blown son. Nothing in my posts references a disdain for the fundamentals of basketball. Only for the teams that have no real talent for the truly exciting plays. Fundamental basketball is not exciting because anybody can do it. We Americans like to celebrate the ultra-talented.


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CB,

Stupid erroneous rant. Try and do better. If what you are saying is true then you would never want to watch our Shockers.

And to clarify my point earlier. Many times I don't like to watch the Shockers. I watch them with the hope and anticipation that they will become more exciting with bigger and better athletes.

There are many games when we do not convert a single dunk in a game. That my friends, is the perfect example of what a non-BCS team is in the minds of college basketball fans.

Don't mistake my comments about dunks, blocks, and steals as something trite. These occurrences are a reflection of a whole different kind of game being played. When you have the dunks, blocks, and steals, you have much more high-flying activity that doesn't always show up on the scorecard. There are unbelievably exciting flying tip-ins, outstanding flying alley-oop layups. Smothering traps by pairs of 6'9" hyper-athletes that just cause a middie-player to fall over out of bounds because he simply couldn't see any sunlight. It's fantastic stuff to watch. Anybody that doesn't admit that fact is just bitter and unrealistic.

If you want to take a quick course on BCS versus Mid-major, just watch Memphis run through (no exaggeration) its conference season. This should give you an idea of what it would really be like if a KU, OU, and the like played in the Valley. We always like to say a top-3 Valley team would have no problem finishing mid-pack in say.. the Big 12.. ROFL.

P.S.

Memphis hasn't lost A SINGLE CONFERENCE GAME IN 3 YEARS!


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Our Sweet 16 team was exactly the kind of team you described as not being what you want to see in the NCAA's. One that isn't full of the best athletes or flashiest players, but plays the game well enough to beat the NBA caliber laden rosters of other schools.

And we had a great "Cinderella" run. I don't like Wichita State being seen as the Cinderella that upsets the "big-boys".

I'm man enough to admit I wish we had the flashiest players and the best athletes. Are you?


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[DUShock]

Cold your being a bit of a revisionist...

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Cold your being a bit of a revisionist...

I guess it's hard to call a seven seed a Cinderella eh? 8) But a person should still get my point if he or she can drop the "bitterness and defensiveness".


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[Aargh]

I certainly am delighted to get this education 2 years after the event.

I would have sworn it was Ogirri who made the SI cover.

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I certainly am delighted to get this education 2 years after the event.

I would have sworn it was Ogirri who made the SI cover.

True, the Big O got the cover, but Paul gave us the headlines throughout the year. Tons and tons of love was spewed on him during out drubbing by MSU.


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[ShockerFever]

I certainly am delighted to get this education 2 years after the event.

I would have sworn it was Ogirri who made the SI cover.

True, the Big O got the cover, but Paul gave us the headlines throughout the year. Tons and tons of love was spewed on him during out drubbing by MSU.


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So now you're bragging about how Steve Lavin talked about our big boy during a spanking session? :roll:

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I certainly am delighted to get this education 2 years after the event.

I would have sworn it was Ogirri who made the SI cover.

True, the Big O got the cover, but Paul gave us the headlines throughout the year. Tons and tons of love was spewed on him during out drubbing by MSU.


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So now you're bragging about how Steve Lavin talked about our big boy during a spanking session? :roll:

Yep. Lots of discussion went on that year about how Paul's performance really put us on the map and set us up for more love on selection Sunday. The media knew we had a serviceable big that proved he could hang with the BCS bigs.

Without losing the point on this.. athletes and skilled big players will get you noticed on a national level. BCS programs are noticed because BCS programs have most of the athletic and skilled big players.

The chicken and egg discussion could follow but there really is no point. Until we get the players we are nobody.


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[Ashockalypse]

The chicken and the egg discussion is everything. Its encouraging for you that you at least recognize it as an issue. Despite the fact that your last 300 posts seem to ignore it. If you had a nickel for everytime someone disagreed with you with a more illogical post, as you suggest, ........you would have a nickel...no you wouldn't.