Cleveland State not hurt by loss to WSU in RPI

[benishock]

The Shocks may be considered by one of the lesser tournaments for financial reasons. They all know the Shocks will sell out The Chuck and generate revenue.

[RoyalShock]

While I'm not convinced RPI is a significant factor in getting selected to these lower-tier tournaments, improving ours at this point in the season will prove to be difficult.

- Home win vs. InSU (207) could actually hurt our RPI.
- A road win at SIU (161) could help a little.
- Neutral-court wins in the MVC tourney should help, depending on the opponent.

By just using ballpark figures and opponents here is my guess:

A victory over InSU drops us to 150-155. A win at SIU puts us back around 145. First round victory over Bradley gets us into the mid-to-upper 140s. At that point our record against D1 is 16-14.

A 2nd-round loss drops us back above 150, ending the season at 16-15. A win (ISU, UNI, CU?) bumps us up to around 135. A loss in the championship game, unless it's against a lower-tier team shouldn't hurt that number. Should our OOC opponents finish the season strong I could see us break into the upper 120s. That is, IMO, our best-case scenario.

With each passing game, the RPI inertia increases. Four games from now the effect will be less than it was against CSU.

[WSUwatcher]

Small tournament

For the lesser tournaments, I suspect potential revenue is a far more important factor than is RPI. And WSU -- assuming it finishes witha qualifying record against D-1 opponents -- is about as good a potential revenue opportunity as they're going to find.

[BAShocker]

Want to have the game against UMKC back?...(rpi 302?). Plus, a home win against Florida A&M, (rpi 312?).

[RoyalShock]

Re: Small tournament

For the lesser tournaments, I suspect potential revenue is a far more important factor than is RPI. And WSU -- assuming it finishes witha qualifying record against D-1 opponents -- is about as good a potential revenue opportunity as they're going to find.

I agree to a point. But I doubt they would stray very far from picking the best available teams to choose a cash cow (but I could be wrong). If I'm not mistaken, at least one of those tournaments gives the higher-seeded team the home game. I'm sure they could possibly tinker with the seedings to get higher attendance.

[SB Shock]

While I'm not convinced RPI is a significant factor in getting selected to these lower-tier tournaments, improving ours at this point in the season will prove to be difficult.

- Home win vs. InSU (207) could actually hurt our RPI.
- A road win at SIU (161) could help a little.
- Neutral-court wins in the MVC tourney should help, depending on the opponent.

By just using ballpark figures and opponents here is my guess:

A victory over InSU drops us to 150-155. A win at SIU puts us back around 145. First round victory over Bradley gets us into the mid-to-upper 140s. At that point our record against D1 is 16-14.

A 2nd-round loss drops us back above 150, ending the season at 16-15. A win (ISU, UNI, CU?) bumps us up to around 135. A loss in the championship game, unless it's against a lower-tier team shouldn't hurt that number. Should our OOC opponents finish the season strong I could see us break into the upper 120s. That is, IMO, our best-case scenario.

With each passing game, the RPI inertia increases. Four games from now the effect will be less than it was against CSU.

Here is WSU (13-14, RPI 146) projected RPI by final W-L record:

18-14 RPI 106
18-15 RPI 114
17-15 RPI 121
16-15 RPI 134
17-16 RPI 131
16-16 RPI 140
15-15 RPI 151
16-17 RPI 149
15-16 RPI 156
15-17 RPI 164
14-16 RPI 171
14-17 RPI 178
13-17 RPI 196

Date taken from:

http://www.rpiforecast.com/

[RoyalShock]

I had forgotten about that site. Nice find, SB!

I guess my prognostication was a bit on the pessimistic side.

[SB Shock]

I had forgotten about that site. Nice find, SB!

I guess my prognostication was a bit on the pessimistic side.

Actually I think your gut feel was pretty much on.