Gottlieb on Delonte Hill

[kcshocker11]

On KC sports radio, Doug Gottlieb was asked what the perception was around the basketball community on Delonte Hills $400,000 salary. He said and I'm paraphrasing that most are wanting to know where the money is going. When asked he said people believe that KState is paying players. He stated that there are no facts to back this up but that is the prevailing feelings. Gottlieb was contacted by the Big 12 the next day and he explained that there was no proof of this and he was only answering truthfully to the questions asked.

Wondering if people think there is any truth here or is Douggie just blowing hot air 8)

[William]

Re: Gottlieb on Delonte Hill

On KC sports radio, Doug Gottlieb was asked what the perseption was around the basketball community on Delonte Hills $400,000 salary. He said and I'm paraphrasing that most are wanting to know where the money is going. When asked he said people believe that KState is paying players. He stated that there are no facts to back this up but that is the prevailing feelings. Gottlieb was contacted by the Big 12 the next day and he explained that there was no proof of this and he was only answering truthfully to the questions asked.

Wondering if people think there is any truth here or is Douggie just blowing hot air 8)

I think its just hot air, Hill has great recruiting ties for the moment, they may run dry after the assault kids he knows dry up. This is why Hill gets the big money. When guys like Walker, Beasley, and Judge choose K-state its a red flag, but I think there are more than enough plausible explanations as to why they did, mainly relationships.

[DUShock]

Some people said the same thing about Mo Evans choice of Wichita State. Different circumstance yes but kind of the same.

[RoyalShock]

This is all just my opinion, but I have a hard time believing that one/two-and-done players choose a school based primarily on relationships. These players know they plan on bolting after a year or two. If they were 3-4 years players, then I can buy the relationship angle. But common sense tells me the Beasleys of the world use a "what can you do for me" selection process. The relationships are just the avenue to get them what they want. Again, all just my opinion.

I don't think the Evans situation is even remotely close to the KSU situation. Mo decided he wanted to play for the team he grew up watching and could be watched by his family.

Is Gottlieb blowing hot air? I doubt it. The people he's talking to could be. But I think it's naive to believe that a few/some/most elite players aren't getting compensated outside of NCAA rules.

[newshock1234]

This is all just my opinion, but I have a hard time believing that one/two-and-done players choose a school based primarily on relationships. These players know they plan on bolting after a year or two. If they were 3-4 years players, then I can buy the relationship angle. But common sense tells me the Beasleys of the world use a "what can you do for me" selection process. The relationships are just the avenue to get them what they want. Again, all just my opinion.

I don't think the Evans situation is even remotely close to the KSU situation. Mo decided he wanted to play for the team he grew up watching and could be watched by his family.

Is Gottlieb blowing hot air? I doubt it. The people he's talking to could be. But I think it's naive to believe that a few/some/most elite players aren't getting compensated outside of NCAA rules.

I 100% agree

[BostonWu]

This is all just my opinion, but I have a hard time believing that one/two-and-done players choose a school based primarily on relationships. These players know they plan on bolting after a year or two. If they were 3-4 years players, then I can buy the relationship angle. But common sense tells me the Beasleys of the world use a "what can you do for me" selection process. The relationships are just the avenue to get them what they want. Again, all just my opinion.

I don't think the Evans situation is even remotely close to the KSU situation. Mo decided he wanted to play for the team he grew up watching and could be watched by his family.

Is Gottlieb blowing hot air? I doubt it. The people he's talking to could be. But I think it's naive to believe that a few/some/most elite players aren't getting compensated outside of NCAA rules.

I might throw Bryce Brown and his handler in this equation - or at least that's what my gut tells me.

[Ashockalypse]

So if Gottlieb is out there saying that someone else is saying that the K-State Assistant is cheating, maybe he should inform the NCAA of who these sources are so they can cough up the evidence they are using to uncover (defame) the Assistant. On the other hand, if he's not willing to do anything like that maybe he should quit spouting unsubstantiated rumors and casting aspersions on someone that might just be doing a good job. I'm no K-State fan but it seems that fairness demands that you are innocent at least until someone presents some evidence tending to show that you might be guilty of something. You should have something of greater quality than "there are no facts to back this up but that is the prevailing feelings." Otherwise, as soon as Marshall gets another great player and we go deep in the tourney, surely we are cheating because who would go to Wichita State without a check. Jealousy breeds a lot of false accusations.

[WuDrWu]

Of course you are right, but have you heard of Woodward and Berstein?

The press is above revealing their sources.

[moshock]

Doug Gottlieb = irresponsible reporter = loser

Should lose his job over reporting baseless rumors.

:wsu_posters:

[RoyalShock]

WSU getting one great player is hardly a sign of cheating. However, KSU getting three blue-chippers in three years from nowhere near Kansas due to an assistant coach making $400k seems a little fishy.

As for Gottleib, according to the original post he wasn't "reporting" anything. He was being interviewed and was answering questions. So it was either be truthful with his opinion by mentioning what he's heard, make something up and lie, or refuse to answer.

I'm not saying he's right or wrong. Just consider the source, use a little common sense, and make up your own mind.

[WuDrWu]

I might throw Bryce Brown and his handler in this equation - or at least that's what my gut tells me.

I love this phrase and glad to see others using it. :good:

[SubGod22]

Doug didn't say anything that most haven't thought. And that's pretty much what the question was. The whole Delonte Hill thing has been quite fishy since day 1.

[shoxlax]

Money goes to AAU coaches who in turn influence players. Influence can come in the form of many different ways. Pretty simple. That is the new form of cheating the last few years. Not saying this is what Hill is doing, but I'm pretty sure that is what Gottleib was referring to.

[Ksedg]

This is all just my opinion, but I have a hard time believing that one/two-and-done players choose a school based primarily on relationships. These players know they plan on bolting after a year or two. If they were 3-4 years players, then I can buy the relationship angle. But common sense tells me the Beasleys of the world use a "what can you do for me" selection process. The relationships are just the avenue to get them what they want. Again, all just my opinion.

Yes - and Beasley goes on Rome and talks about his 4 (? I don't remember the exact number) cell phones that he rocks with - months before he decided not to return to school. I think that was even before the NCAA tourny last year. :roll:

[TurFin]

Gottlieb wasn't reporting at all, nor is he a reporter, he's an analyst paid to give his opinion and insight due to his connections to the game. He was giving his opinion on the perception of KSU's situation through what he hears in coaching circles. That's what he's paid to do and there is nothing wrong with it. He didn't say they were doing it...just said the perception is there amongst those in the business. That perception has been floating around numerous fanbases since the announcement of Hill's contract...Do you honestly think that his competitors would be immune to that same line of thought? Nobody has any proof though, so it's all just innuendo and speculation.

Gottlieb is one of the few analysts that doesn't cleanse everything he says to tow the company line. I like that about him and I think it makes him one of the best at his job along with Jay Bilas.