Post Game Red Bird v. Shockers

[Rosewood]

I agreed with the no traveling call. It's hard to travel when you never have possession.

If it wasn't a travel, then it was a carry. It definitely was something illegal though. Otherwise, I'd suggest WSU to recruit some jugglers and we can bring the ball up that way.

Suppose player A stands on the shoulders of teammate B. Then teammate B moves to the edge of the lane and near the basket. The combined height of the two players is appoximately 13'.

Further suppose another teammate C lobs a pass to player A and he slams down a jam.

Has there been an infraction of the rules?

Just wondering.

I have other ideas in mind.

That style of play would only work in Harlem, but maybe you could take it around the globe.

[ShockerInKC]

I agreed with the no traveling call. It's hard to travel when you never have possession.

That doesn't make sense because you could just bobble the ball in the air and run down the court.

I guess the difference here is the application of the definition of 'possession.'

If a player continually slaps the ball in the air (or juggles it) the ref has to determine if the player has control of the ball, which is part of possession.

If the player never had and currently does not have control of the ball, then he can't travel. Even if he slaps/juggles the ball to himself repeatedly. If the ball is not in his control, there is no possession. So it would be left to the ref to determine if any of the touches left the player in control of the ball. Bit of a judgment call here.

I know typically this is called traveling anyway, particularly when a guy is in the open and running down court.

[ShockRef]

No control, no traveling. Period.
If the official determines the player is bobbling the ball and does not have or maintain control, traveling can not occur.
Also, there is no such thing as an intentional technical foul when the ball is live. It can either be an intentional or a flagrant foul.
Technical fouls can not occur during a live ball.
That is all. 8)

[ShockerFever]

No control, no traveling. Period.
If the official determines the player is bobbling the ball and does not have or maintain control, traveling can not occur.
Also, there is no such thing as an intentional technical foul when the ball is live. It can either be an intentional or a flagrant foul.
Technical fouls can not occur during a live ball.
That is all. 8)

Then juggling should be the back-up mode to run behind dribbling.

Technical fouls can not occur during a live ball.

Oh really? Then the refs I've seen thousands of times must be stupid and not following the rules for calling T's during live gameplay after they see a player or coach mouthing off.

[ShockRef]

No control, no traveling. Period.
If the official determines the player is bobbling the ball and does not have or maintain control, traveling can not occur.
Also, there is no such thing as an intentional technical foul when the ball is live. It can either be an intentional or a flagrant foul.
Technical fouls can not occur during a live ball.
That is all. 8)

Then juggling should be the back-up mode to run behind dribbling.

Technical fouls can not occur during a live ball.

Oh really? Then the refs I've seen thousands of times must be stupid and not following the rules for calling T's during live gameplay after they see a player or coach mouthing off.

Coaches assessed a Technical Foul for "mouthing off" as you put it is classified an Unsportsmanlike Technical Foul. Not a physical contact foul. But it's always good to hear from knowledgeable fans, such as you. 8)

[ShockerFever]

I'm not talking about physical contact.

You said technicals are called only during 'live play'. You would technically be incorrect.

And you're welcome.

[SubGod22]

Fever, arguing with ShockRef at this point is just dumb. Everything he's said has been accurate.

[ShockTalk]

Not taking sides here, but what would be non-Unsportsmanlike Technical Fouls while the game is not in play?

What if a player swings his elbows bringing down a rebound or takes a punch at another player while play is going on? Is "technically" a regular foul assest first, then after play has stopped, a technical assest?

[SubGod22]

That would be an "intentional" or "flagarant" foul. No technical is assessed.

[ShockTalk]

Thanks Sub. So in cases where a player is assessed a foul and a technical, a technical is only for something done after the original foul, thereby a dead-ball foul?

Also, what about my first question? I would guess most technical fouls are for unsportsmanlike conduct. Thanks again.

[SubGod22]

Thanks Sub. So in cases where a player is assessed a foul and a technical, a technical is only for something done after the original foul, thereby a dead-ball foul?

Yes. If it happens during play it won't be a T. Not if it's a physical play. Now if in the middle of play a kid walks but me and decides to drop a few bombs he can get one. But I believe this question first came up considering physical play and fouls. Normally a player doesn't get a T for "talking" unless it's a dead ball period but in that case it wouldn't have to be.

Also, what about my first question? I would guess most technical fouls are for unsportsmanlike conduct. Thanks again.

Pretty much.



I'm a little light headed today so I hope that all makes sense. If it doesn't I'll try again.

[SubGod22]

I just re-read your question about a rebounding player swinging his elbows. I think that's the one you were referring to earlier and I may have read into it wrong.

In that case, only a foul is called. Normally it's just a common foul. However, if the calling official sees intent to do real harm behind the swinging of the elbows he/she can call it a flagarant foul. No technical is assessed until the player throws a fit and calls the official all sorts of names and challenges his/her ability to do the job.

In HS if you swing your elbows outside of accepted ways you can get called for a violation much like traveling. I'm don't think that's in the college rule book though.