Marshall show questions

[ShockerFever]

What Doc said.

If you think what WSU did in '92 was bad, can I ask if you've ever been to a KU-Mizzou game in Columbia?

And to use this as an excuse to not play is simply laughable.

Granted, if the things that you claimed happened were true, I certainly don't condone it. But it's a different time now. To think that would happen again and to think it would only ever happen at WSU is pretty weak and frankly pretty untrue.

[owenc]

Allen was the #### hole equal of HLA in the early 90s. The visitors locker room was no Taj.

But there was one. Perhaps you think "no locker room" was some sort of hyperbole but I believe there was literally no locker room made available at all. They had to change in the hall.

KU fans were at least 2X as bad as WSU fans. MINIMUM.

Well I've been to a lot of KU games and I've never seen anyone throw anything at opposing players. Now I've never seen that at a WSU game either but apparently it happened in 1992.

Frankly, I don't want to play KU unless it's in the tournament. We should play home and home because it is THE RIGHT THING TO DO for the state and for competition but if it comes to doing WHAT IS RIGHT then you are not about to see KU do it.

Well on this point we agree. I want them to meet in the tournament too. That's extremely unlikely but I'd love to see it. WSU is 1-0 in the tournament versus KU after all (but 2-11 over all).

Chris

[owenc]

What Doc said.

If you think what WSU did in '92 was bad, can I ask if you've ever been to a KU-Mizzou game in Columbia?

And to use this as an excuse to not play is simply laughable.

The way the Missouri "fans" act is certainly bad (especially that BS the night before). I said as much earlier when someone said that KU players couldn't hack it. However, I've never seen them repeatedly throw things at players and not have anyone step in. Also what the students did was only part of the issue. Go back and look at my very first post on this subject. I said this was probably more of a problem at the administration level than the team level. I'd be willing the biggest reason this is still an issue 16 years later has more to do with the tickets than with anything else. KU having to call 2,000 people and tell them that tickets they sold them aren't any good couldn't have been much fun. Throw in a little "opps sorry but we don't have a locker room for you, you'll have to change in the hall and drive back to Lawrence without a shower" and I think you have a recipe for some long term aversion.

Granted, if the things that you claimed happened were true, I certainly don't condone it. But it's a different time now. To think that would happen again and to think it would only ever happen at WSU is pretty weak and frankly pretty untrue.

I'm not sure any of this would happen again either. That doesn't necessarily mean much though. KU doesn't really have much reason to want to schedule WSU so the fact that it ended so badly last time is probably enough to keep it from happening. Makes total sense to me. I'm a pretty forgiving guy but I don't go out of my way to help those that have abused me in the past.

Chris

[newshock1234]

is KU equivalent to a 4 year old
"Whahhhhh, WSU you treated us sooooo unfairly, so NEVER EVER again you big meanies"

[WuDrWu]

It is simply typical of the KU mentality. It's perfectly ok for KU fans to be pracks and to accuse others of cheating and spit and throw things and whatever else they want to do but EVERYONE else must bow to their superior being, status and fanship or they take their toys and go home like the spoiled babies they are.

It it their mentality and attitude that fuels the hate.

[im4wsu]

KU sucks at life, period, and they don't play WSU because they are so arrogant they feel WSU is well beneath them.

I realize that using facts is generally discourage here but here is the reality of the situation:

KU and WSU played each other exactly 3 times before 1981. One of those times was in 1908 when WSU wasn't even WSU they were Fairmont. The other two were during World War II. In other words, they pretty much had never played each other.

Then a weird thing happened. KU and WSU met in the Sweet 16. Very improbable but it happened. And low and behold what happened? WSU beat KU. Only by 1 point but winning is winning and they did it in the most important game the two schools have ever played.

So what did KU do after this? They scheduled WSU in a serious of 1 and 1s. They played a total of 10 times over the next 11 years. Then 1992 happened and everything changed.

You can say whatever you want but KU certainly did their part for over 10 years. However something changed and what changed was WSU's behavior in 1992. You can say whatever you want but their behavior in 1992 was not good. No visitors locker room? Give me a break. Throwing stuff at players? Unacceptable.

Why would KU schedule a school after what happened in 1992? Would WSU if they had been treated that way? I would certainly hope not. If they would then I'd have to think a lot less of WSU.

KU is not going to play WSU. Get over it. I'd love to see it but it isn't going to happen. I'm not even sure WSU would agree to it now anyway.

Chris

WWII in 1955? KU beat Wichita in 1955 (maybe 56) in the opening season of the Roundhouse. My memory may be wrong, but WWII ended in 1945. So much for facts. Was any of the rest of your statement factual?

[Anthroshock]

I hope we don't piss off Chris enough that we don't get to listen to the Shocks on the internet anymore. 8)

[WuDrWu]

I hope we don't piss off Chris enough that we don't get to listen to the Shocks on the internet anymore. 8)

I do appreciate what Chris does for Shockerradio and I know that he is supportive of WSU and I as well as most other Shocker fans greatly appreciate that.

That does not preclude us from attempting to clear his mind from the phog in which he exists sometimes. 8)

[SubGod22]

We should play KU/KSU every year. And they should alternate home and home. It's the way Nebraska does it with CU and it's the way Iowa State and Iowa have been doing it with Drake and UNI. With states that don't have a large number of DI schools it should probably be done as it's good for everybody.

But I'm not going to lose sleep over not playing the pompass ***es that live in the NE part of the state. It's obviously an administration thing since most fans I've ever discussed this with in person or online have agreed they'd like to see the series.

Personally, I don't think we should give up a home game to either one without one in return. Why should we be the only ones to sacrifice a home game and lose out on all that money? I do think the "guarantee" that would be paid would cover our losses and quite frankly they're not worth that loss of funds. The occassional game to travel to a Michigan State or Syracuse is one thing. But to give it up to travel 2 hours up the road isn't.

I'd much rather have the home and home series with Tech or TCU or even the 1-1-1 with LSU than take a one time guarantee at KU. I'm kinda glad that KU refused the ESPN deal a few years ago. No matter how they try and spin it we know that they refused a one time deal in their barn on national TV. And we know WSU was prepared to play that game.

[owenc]

It is simply typical of the KU mentality. It's perfectly ok for KU fans to be pracks and to accuse others of cheating and spit and throw things and whatever else they want to do but EVERYONE else must bow to their superior being, status and fanship or they take their toys and go home like the spoiled babies they are.

It it their mentality and attitude that fuels the hate.

What on earth are you talking about? I'm the only one here even close to defending KU and I didn't do anything that you suggest. No one is suggesting that WSU bow down to anyone. In fact, KU is saying exactly the opposite. They are saying "we don't want to play you". That's it. Nothing else.

Surely KU gets to decide who they play. If not then who is demanding that someone else bow down to them?

I think KU ought to decide who KU plays and WSU ought to decide who WSU plays.

Chris

[owenc]

WWII in 1955? KU beat Wichita in 1955 (maybe 56) in the opening season of the Roundhouse. My memory may be wrong, but WWII ended in 1945. So much for facts. Was any of the rest of your statement factual?

Yea, because if they played one time in 40 years instead of zero times that would completely change my point.

So they played 4 times before 1981, not 3. I don't think this changes anything I've said.

Chris