Marshall show questions

[newshock1234]

You are telling WSU fans to "get over it". Sounds like KU needs to "get over" whatever happened in 1992 (according to my math that is...oh...about 16 freakin years ago).

They've got 329 teams to pick from when scheduling non-conference games. The question is why would they schedule WSU before any of the other ones? Given what happened it just seems logical that WSU would be pretty far down the list. Its not like KU has many (any?) reasons to schedule WSU. It doesn't take a whole lot in the other direction to tip the scales.

Are you really suggesting that WSU would schedule a team that treated them like this? I just don't believe that.

KU are still losers...plain and simple.

Talk about not letting facts get in the way.

Chris

Yea we hear it all the time, Ku is the greatest blah blah blah. They never do no wrong blah blah blah.

[shockerfan]

You are telling WSU fans to "get over it". Sounds like KU needs to "get over" whatever happened in 1992 (according to my math that is...oh...about 16 freakin years ago).

They've got 329 teams to pick from when scheduling non-conference games. The question is why would they schedule WSU before any of the other ones? Given what happened it just seems logical that WSU would be pretty far down the list. Its not like KU has many (any?) reasons to schedule WSU. It doesn't take a whole lot in the other direction to tip the scales.

Are you really suggesting that WSU would schedule a team that treated them like this? I just don't believe that.

KU are still losers...plain and simple.

Talk about not letting facts get in the way.

Chris

Yea we hear it all the time, Ku is the greatest blah blah blah. They never do no wrong blah blah blah.

And...there is so much more reasons for playing Northeast Central Hood Rats of New Jersey than we would EVER get from playing WSU...blah blah blah.

They are still losers...there is a fact for ya :D

Ok, really, I'm over it! On to playing Florida A&M...woohoo the season is upon us!

[owenc]

Yea we hear it all the time, Ku is the greatest blah blah blah. They never do no wrong blah blah blah.

Didn't hear that from me.

My only contention is there may be actual reasons why the two teams don't play. I specifically claim that there were very good reasons why they stopped playing and no real good reasons that would over rule these reasons. KU has virtually no reason to play WSU and some legitimate ones not to. Seems simple to me.

I would additionally claim that there were no reasons in KU's self interest that they would have played 10 times between 1983 and 1993. But they did. And they they stopped. And stopped for good reason.

Chris

[owenc]

And...there is so much more reasons for playing Northeast Central Hood Rats of New Jersey than we would EVER get from playing WSU...blah blah blah.

Have you seen KU's non-conference schedule? I'm sorry but WSU doesn't come close to one of their away game non-conference opponents. Seriously tell me there is one school in that list that they would be better off replacing with WSU. Maybe one of their guaranteed money home games but nothing on their away schedule.

They are still losers...there is a fact for ya :D

Yea, don't let being national champions or the 3rd winningest team in history (they'll be at least #2 within two years) get in your way or anything. Little facts like that shouldn't count for anything.

Chris

[ShoxFan45]

You are telling WSU fans to "get over it". Sounds like KU needs to "get over" whatever happened in 1992 (according to my math that is...oh...about 16 freakin years ago).

They've got 329 teams to pick from when scheduling non-conference games. The question is why would they schedule WSU before any of the other ones? Given what happened it just seems logical that WSU would be pretty far down the list. Its not like KU has many (any?) reasons to schedule WSU. It doesn't take a whole lot in the other direction to tip the scales.

Are you really suggesting that WSU would schedule a team that treated them like this? I just don't believe that.

KU are still losers...plain and simple.

Talk about not letting facts get in the way.

Chris

Out of those 329, how many are schools within their state? Just to simply state some issue from 16 years ago and throw out the number of D-1 schools doesn't show any facts to back anything up. The facts are that this game should be played every year. You can't tell me that the one and done deal from two years ago didn't happen because some KU player got their feelings hurt in 92'. KU has a huge reason to schedule WSU, THEY ARE IN THE SAME STATE!

[ShockerFever]

owenc, how long have you been a KU fan?

A few comments. It appears KU played WSU in the 80's because they were pissed and they wanted to enact some revenge.. which I'd say they did. WSU also happened to be good in the 80's. Then the 90's came. I don't think I could blame KU for not wanting to play us then. And then the mid-2000's came. WSU started to become respectable again. And even after a Sweet 16 year, KU refused.. get this... a one-time HOME game with WSU on national tv. Now what kind of hypocritical/arrogance is that? If your accusations were true, it'd be hard for WSU students to do the same crap that happened in 1992 in the confines of Allen Fieldhouse. Instead, nope. They wanted no part of WSU.

As taxpayers of Kansas, we all deserve seeing all of our state schools play each other. I think it's only fair. And then there's 1 school who has to remain on elite status.

Ya.. a game with Jackson State and Southeast Louisiana makes more sense than WSU..

It's now come to where KU won't even play WSU in Lawrence. What kind of BS is that?

I personally think we should scrap KU in baseball, because the lopsided series and difference in levels of programs is beyond measurements, but I guess I'll live with Gene's decision to still play them for 'the good of the game, for the fans, for the state'....

[owenc]

Out of those 329, how many are schools within their state? Just to simply state some issue from 16 years ago and throw out the number of D-1 schools doesn't show any facts to back anything up. The facts are that this game should be played every year. You can't tell me that the one and done deal from two years ago didn't happen because some KU player got their feelings hurt in 92'. KU has a huge reason to schedule WSU, THEY ARE IN THE SAME STATE!

I guess I just don't see why that is much of a reason a reason but they did play WSU for 10 years for that reason I suppose. They also play every other division I and II school in the state. Maybe its just WSU.

Chris

[ShockerFever]

You are telling WSU fans to "get over it". Sounds like KU needs to "get over" whatever happened in 1992 (according to my math that is...oh...about 16 freakin years ago).

They've got 329 teams to pick from when scheduling non-conference games. The question is why would they schedule WSU before any of the other ones? Given what happened it just seems logical that WSU would be pretty far down the list. Its not like KU has many (any?) reasons to schedule WSU. It doesn't take a whole lot in the other direction to tip the scales.

Are you really suggesting that WSU would schedule a team that treated them like this? I just don't believe that.

KU are still losers...plain and simple.

Talk about not letting facts get in the way.

Chris

Out of those 329, how many are schools within their state? Just to simply state some issue from 16 years ago and throw out the number of D-1 schools doesn't show any facts to back anything up. The facts are that this game should be played every year. You can't tell me that the one and done deal from two years ago didn't happen because some KU player got their feelings hurt in 92'. KU has a huge reason to schedule WSU, THEY ARE IN THE SAME STATE!

I could put together a list and see how many in-state non-conference basketball games are going on in the next two months in college basketball.

Of course, it would take me a year to put it together because it's a standard practice, but I could do it.

[owenc]

owenc, how long have you been a KU fan?

Around 30 years.

A few comments. It appears KU played WSU in the 80's because they were pissed and they wanted to enact some revenge.. which I'd say they did. WSU also happened to be good in the 80's. Then the 90's came. I don't think I could blame KU for not wanting to play us then. And then the mid-2000's came. WSU started to become respectable again. And even after a Sweet 16 year, KU refused.. get this... a one-time HOME game with WSU on national tv. Now what kind of hypocritical/arrogance is that? If your accusations were true, it'd be hard for WSU students to do the same crap that happened in 1992 in the confines of Allen Fieldhouse. Instead, nope. They wanted no part of WSU.

Can you confirm that the turned down a game at home? I've seen people (here) say that was suggested but I've also seen others say that WSU would only do a 1 and 1 or a 2 and 1.

As taxpayers of Kansas, we all deserve seeing all of our state schools play each other. I think it's only fair. And then there's 1 school who has to remain on elite status.

Well nobody else will play WSU either so it isn't just KU. I'm a pretty big tax payer and I guess I don't feel like I'm somehow losing out by not seeing it. I figure each school should decide their own schedule.

Ya.. a game with Jackson State and Southeast Louisiana makes more sense than WSU..

Well both of those schools are probably on par with WSU but like I said it isn't about home games it is about away games. With WSU wanting a 1 and 1 that's what we are really taking about. No way does WSU rate compared to this year's KU away schedule.

It's now come to where KU won't even play WSU in Lawrence. What kind of BS is that?

First I've heard of that. I thought everyone around here was bragging about how it had to be a 1 and 1 or 2 and 1.

I personally think we should scrap KU in baseball, because the lopsided series and difference in levels of programs is beyond measurements, but I guess I'll live with Gene's decision to still play them for 'the good of the game, for the fans, for the state'....

I think WSU baseball should schedule who makes sense for them to schedule and not worry about who is in the state. But I'm also smart enough to know that what I think doesn't matter very much.

Chris

[owenc]

I could put together a list and see how many in-state non-conference basketball games are going on in the next two months in college basketball.

Of course, it would take me a year to put it together because it's a standard practice, but I could do it.

And part of that list would include the 2 in state non-conference games KU plays (3 if you include UMKC). And as you say its standard (they do it every year).

KU plays every other division I and II school in the state. Just not WSU.

Chris

[ShoxFan45]

I could put together a list and see how many in-state non-conference basketball games are going on in the next two months in college basketball.

Of course, it would take me a year to put it together because it's a standard practice, but I could do it.

And part of that list would include the 2 in state non-conference games KU plays (3 if you include UMKC). And as you say its standard (they do it every year).

KU plays every other division I and II school in the state. Just not WSU.

Chris

The point of people bringing up the fact that KU doesn't play WSU is to illustrate that they won't play Wichita State. Not to insinuate that they have a problem playing schools in different classifications and schools in their own conferences.

[ShockerFever]

What Shoxfan said..

I personally think KU has had plenty of time to be bitter.. 16 years.

I know most people, at this point, would be happy with a 2 for 1 type of game. I know Mark Turgeon would only do a 1 for 1. I'm not exactly sure of Marshall's policies because I haven't really heard him talk about it.

I do know from a decent reliable source that the offer in 2006-07 was for a one-time game to be played in Lawrence on national tv and that KU turned it down. So, instead we settled for Syracuse. To imply that we don't do things like that obviously isn't true, as seen in the Syracuse game.. and even the LSU series, which was essentially a 2 for 1 (with the third game being played at a 'neutral' site in Shreveport, Louisiana). I'm sure WSU fans would be happy to see a 1 in Lawrence, 1 in Wichita, 1 in KC series. And I don't see why that would be an issue for KU... Of couse, then again, I'm not a bitter person.

[owenc]

The point of people bringing up the fact that KU doesn't play WSU is to illustrate that they won't play Wichita State. Not to insinuate that they have a problem playing schools in different classifications and schools in their own conferences.

And my point is that KU's reason for not playing WSU isn't because they won't play a in-state team or a non-conference team (or a team that might beat them) but that they won't play WSU. My additional point is that they are not only willing to play ever other team in the state but they were willing to play WSU 10 times over 11 years (after WSU knocked them out of the tournament no less).

They just won't play WSU after the way WSU behaved in 1992. When they said "never again" I think they really meant it.

My additional point is they are unlikely to play WSU on the road in today's college basketball world. Doing so just doesn't make a lot of financial sense.

Chris

[owenc]

I'm sure WSU fans would be happy to see a 1 in Lawrence, 1 in Wichita, 1 in KC series. And I don't see why that would be an issue for KU... Of couse, then again, I'm not a bitter person.

I sorry but I don't believe you.

If another school had treated WSU the way WSU treated KU in 1992 I just don't believe that you would think that WSU should go out of their way to schedule them even if it was 16 years later. I mean come on. If WSU showed up to play a game and there were no locker rooms available for them to use (in the middle of the season no less)? The people on this site would never let it die. They'd still be in "never again" mode 16 years from now.

I especially don't think this would be true if this was a team that WSU had consistently beat and WSU felt like they were really bringing more to the table than the other team.

Like I've said 10 times already--there just isn't a lot of reason for KU to play WSU and some decent reasons not to. Call it bitter but why go out of your way with a school that stuck it to you the last time.

Chris

[WuDrWu]

Blah, blah blah blah ba blah blah blah.

Chris

Allen was the **** hole equal of HLA in the early 90s. The visitors locker room was no Taj.

KU fans were at least 2X as bad as WSU fans. MINIMUM.

You want to talk about the financials of not playing? I'm not about to argue about that. KU is about 50 million behind most of the BIG12 South in cash available, they need every penny they can get to keep up. Don't get on your high and mighty horse about how bad KU was treated. If KU was treated poorly, good. They and their fan treated WSU and their fans worse.

Frankly, I don't want to play KU unless it's in the tournament. We should play home and home because it is THE RIGHT THING TO DO for the state and for competition but if it comes to doing WHAT IS RIGHT then you are not about to see KU do it.