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  • #46
    Re: Dr. Wu Speaks Out on Recruiting....Maybe

    Originally posted by Ricky Del Rio
    Dr. Wu,

    Recently in one of the other threads, you commented to the effect that emphasis on recruiting under the present coaching administration is much greater than under the previous administration.

    If you will expand on your comment, I will be appreciative.

    I concur with your implication that the current staff seems far more engaged in the recruiting effort than the previous staff. However, I have zero evidence to support this notion other than Tropical Shock's fine work.

    Perhaps Tropical Shock or others might have some thoughts on this subject.

    Thanks.

    P.S. - I am not interested in starting a food fight on Turgeon v. Marshall.

    RDR,

    I wish I could show a nice clean graph that quantified exactly what the two staffs did (or did not) do. Unfortunately that would neither be accurate nor fair.

    From what I have learned over the past 8 years, I conclude the following. Mark is a very, very smart man that uses his resources to the best of their ability. He is an excellent manager who delegates to his subordinates and gives them responsibility with expectations. Everyone has a job and is expected to do just that. Over the years he has developed a tremendous network of contacts that he looks to for both guidance and information.......and for recruits. I believe Mark relies on these contacts for a great deal of his recruiting information. There is nothing wrong with that, at all, IF those contacts are good at what you are asking them to do. It is my OPINION only, that Mark relies a little too much on these contacts and believes in them just a little too much. I hate to do it, but I'm going to anyway.......call it the arrogantKUsyndrome. "I went to KU and I'm smart so by default the people I know and trust must also be as smart or smarter." I know, I know..........

    Gregg, on the other hand, is a blue collar, roll up your sleeves and work dawn to dusk kind of a guy that has busted his tail for every single break that he has made for himself over the years. It's not that Mark doesn't work hard.....he absolutely does but Gregg just has a different "motor". Those coaches are non stop and they are never giving up looking for new and better talent.

    My opinion is that Mark also recruited for a particular piece to the puzzle and tended to pigeonhole himself, from time to time, with his recruits. Gregg is far more open minded. He is going to look at literally 100s of kids and try and find the best player he can, usually without too many boundaries.

    And lastly, no matter what Mark can bring "to the table" with his contacts and experience, Gregg can sell ketchup popcicles to women in white gloves. He is a closer, big time, and he impresses any kid and any family. I don't think Mark (or most coaches for that matter) are on his level. Gregg is comfortable around everyone.

    Of course, the proof is in the results. Time will tell. I know many think I walk around with yellow glasses on all the time but truth be told, I'm fairly pragmatic and have a pretty solid understanding of what the game is about. I predicted a good season last year, before the strangest and most injury consumed season in memory and I still think we were a nearly 20 win team if we would have stayed healthy. We are on the right course and very shortly, a great deal of folks out there are going to get a taste of what Shocker basketball is going to be for a very, very long time and if you happen to be in the way, you better watch out.

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    • #47
      Re: Dr. Wu Speaks Out on Recruiting....Maybe

      Originally posted by WuDrWu
      Originally posted by Ricky Del Rio
      Dr. Wu,

      Recently in one of the other threads, you commented to the effect that emphasis on recruiting under the present coaching administration is much greater than under the previous administration.

      If you will expand on your comment, I will be appreciative.

      I concur with your implication that the current staff seems far more engaged in the recruiting effort than the previous staff. However, I have zero evidence to support this notion other than Tropical Shock's fine work.

      Perhaps Tropical Shock or others might have some thoughts on this subject.

      Thanks.

      P.S. - I am not interested in starting a food fight on Turgeon v. Marshall.

      RDR,

      I wish I could show a nice clean graph that quantified exactly what the two staffs did (or did not) do. Unfortunately that would neither be accurate nor fair.

      From what I have learned over the past 8 years, I conclude the following. Mark is a very, very smart man that uses his resources to the best of their ability. He is an excellent manager who delegates to his subordinates and gives them responsibility with expectations. Everyone has a job and is expected to do just that. Over the years he has developed a tremendous network of contacts that he looks to for both guidance and information.......and for recruits. I believe Mark relies on these contacts for a great deal of his recruiting information. There is nothing wrong with that, at all, IF those contacts are good at what you are asking them to do. It is my OPINION only, that Mark relies a little too much on these contacts and believes in them just a little too much. I hate to do it, but I'm going to anyway.......call it the arrogantKUsyndrome. "I went to KU and I'm smart so by default the people I know and trust must also be as smart or smarter." I know, I know..........

      Gregg, on the other hand, is a blue collar, roll up your sleeves and work dawn to dusk kind of a guy that has busted his tail for every single break that he has made for himself over the years. It's not that Mark doesn't work hard.....he absolutely does but Gregg just has a different "motor". Those coaches are non stop and they are never giving up looking for new and better talent.

      My opinion is that Mark also recruited for a particular piece to the puzzle and tended to pigeonhole himself, from time to time, with his recruits. Gregg is far more open minded. He is going to look at literally 100s of kids and try and find the best player he can, usually without too many boundaries.

      And lastly, no matter what Mark can bring "to the table" with his contacts and experience, Gregg can sell ketchup popcicles to women in white gloves. He is a closer, big time, and he impresses any kid and any family. I don't think Mark (or most coaches for that matter) are on his level. Gregg is comfortable around everyone.

      Of course, the proof is in the results. Time will tell. I know many think I walk around with yellow glasses on all the time but truth be told, I'm fairly pragmatic and have a pretty solid understanding of what the game is about. I predicted a good season last year, before the strangest and most injury consumed season in memory and I still think we were a nearly 20 win team if we would have stayed healthy. We are on the right course and very shortly, a great deal of folks out there are going to get a taste of what Shocker basketball is going to be for a very, very long time and if you happen to be in the way, you better watch out.
      So in a way are you saying George Bush Jr is to Mark Turgeon as Obama is to Gregg Marshall. I am sure it is not directly correlated but I think it has some truth to it. LOL, good laugh though.
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      • #48
        Lets never compare Obama to Marshall again please
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        • #49
          Originally posted by SubGod22
          Lets never compare Obama to Marshall again please
          Agree... that may be the worst comparison in Shockernet history. :(
          "You Just Want to Slap The #### Outta Some People"

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          • #50
            It is my OPINION only, that Mark relies a little too much on these contacts and believes in them just a little too much. I hate to do it, but I'm going to anyway.......call it the arrogantKUsyndrome. "I went to KU and I'm smart so by default the people I know and trust must also be as smart or smarter." I know, I know..........
            RBrad anyone?

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            • #51
              Royal, if political comments are ok, then I will post my own. If they are not ok, then delete that BS immediately, please.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by BostonWu
                It is my OPINION only, that Mark relies a little too much on these contacts and believes in them just a little too much. I hate to do it, but I'm going to anyway.......call it the arrogantKUsyndrome. "I went to KU and I'm smart so by default the people I know and trust must also be as smart or smarter." I know, I know..........
                RBrad anyone?
                Yes, me. As I read the doctor's post, Ryan was my first thought.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by pinstripers
                  Royal, if political comments are ok, then I will post my own. If they are not ok, then delete that BS immediately, please.
                  If people don't reply to it, there will be no need to delete it. But if it takes this thread off-topic, that's a different story.

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                  • #54
                    I might add that I think the doctor's comparison of Coaches Turgeon and Marshall is very interesting.

                    I particularly liked the catchup and white gloves analogy because it was high praise.

                    There was an expression about Bear Bryant's great ability to recruit. It went something like this. "If the Bear gets his feet under the kitchen table with the momma and papa of a recruit, then it is a foregone conclusion that he will sign their son."

                    It sounds like Coach Marshall has this quality.

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                    • #55
                      Obama has never been anywhere, never done anything; he's nothing but an inflated wannabe

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                      • #56
                        Re: Dr. Wu Speaks Out on Recruiting....Maybe

                        Originally posted by goshocks
                        LOL, good laugh though.
                        Yeah... not so much. :shock:

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                        • #57
                          And nothing the Doc said surprises me. And yes, the first name that popped up was RBrad. If I remember correctly, Turgeon offered without ever seeing him play. I don't think anyone on the staff had seen him play either. He took the word of a former Jayhawk and the coach of Ryan.

                          At least that's how I remember the story.
                          Infinity Art Glass - Fantastic local artist and Shocker fan
                          RIP Guy Always A Shocker
                          Carpenter Place - A blessing to many young girls/women
                          ICT S.O.S - Great local cause fighting against human trafficking
                          Wartick Insurance Agency - Saved me money with more coverage.
                          Save Shocker Sports - A rallying cry

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by SubGod22
                            And nothing the Doc said surprises me. And yes, the first name that popped up was RBrad. If I remember correctly, Turgeon offered without ever seeing him play. I don't think anyone on the staff had seen him play either. He took the word of a former Jayhawk and the coach of Ryan.

                            At least that's how I remember the story.
                            It's been awhile, but I thought at least Tad Boyle watched him play in person. I would also bet that Turgeon saw RBrad on video before before extending an offer. Otherwise, it would border on imcompetency and as such, would be an absurd assertion.

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                            • #59
                              I dunno for sure, but I remeber it as being just film and just Dave Magley's recomendation

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                              • #60
                                WuDrWu ... I think you are giving Turgeon too much credit in the smarts department. Intelligent, yes, very very smart, no. Or he wouldn't have been at such a loss for what to do with the team the last year, and he wasn't a good bench coach, he made several dumb mistakes in games, and got outcoached many games.

                                He was also locked into 'his system', and did not allow enough flexibility into the system to account for individual player's natural and learned abilities. In other words, he went against the grain with some players.

                                Turgeon also did not adjust the team when opponents started runs, which caused the runs to be much deeper than they had to be.

                                Marshall learns faster than Turgeon did, he makes adjustments sooner than Turgeon. His first year was a learning experience for him in this conference, but I fully expect him to be much more prepared this 2nd season. Marshall spotted our Offense stalling, and he came up with some Offensive plays that worked to get us going again.

                                Marshall, if nothing else, is aware of everything around him, and he reacts to it, whether it is recruiting, or on the court. He works hard, and develops solutions like any coach does, but is not 'stoic' like Turgeon seemed to be at times. Marshall is more daring than Turgeon, and like they say, 'Nothing ventured, nothing gained'.

                                Turgeon is exactly the same type coach as he was a player. Whether he can embrace change in the future will determine his fate at ATM.

                                Marshall goes like the saying, 'You can't keep a good man down', and he is a good man and coach. He is the type that could completely surprise his competitors this coming year.

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