UNC Academic Scandal

[Kung Wu]

Would not some, perhaps even most, of the players who took these course be academically ineligible if it these courses were not included? That would seem easy enough to determine. Disallow all academic credit for these courses and to the extent that resulted in academically ineligible players participating for UNC they should be forced to vacate any wins from games those players participated in in the same manner that WSU was forced to vacate baseball wins for the self-reported Under Armor discount violations at WSU.

If that includes any conference or post-season championships then so be it.

This is awesome! I am guessing the University of North Caro-lyin'-a would just claim they were legit. Then the NCAA would ask their accrediting agency if they pass muster ... that's when it would get interesting.

[lemuel777]

Here is what I find bizarre. I live in Tar Heel country (Roy played at TC Roberson about 10 miles from my house). I thought the NCAA had already ruled on the case several weeks ago because everyone I asked around here said UNC didn't get anything because the classes were offered to non-athletes; like the NCAA had already ruled in their favor. And EVERYONE said that they should have received some sort of punishment. It really made their institution look bad. I don't know how the fans already knew the NCAA wasn't going to do anything. Hmmm?

[WstateU]

Here is what I find bizarre. I live in Tar Heel country (Roy played at TC Roberson about 10 miles from my house). I thought the NCAA had already ruled on the case several weeks ago because everyone I asked around here said UNC didn't get anything because the classes were offered to non-athletes; like the NCAA had already ruled in their favor. And EVERYONE said that they should have received some sort of punishment. It really made their institution look bad. I don't know how the fans already knew the NCAA wasn't going to do anything. Hmmm?

Nassir knew it over a week ago - guess I'll have to check out the Dukie board for some entertainment.

http://shockernet.net/forum/showthread.php?23387-Nassir-Little-6-7-SF-2018-to-North-Carolina

[DUShock]

The NCAA is nothing but a crack whore and the BCS is her dealer & pimp.

[Shockers5150]

I tried to tell some in here that the NCAA had no business dealing with the UNC issue. A waste of money investigating this. You may hate UNC, but this was the inevitable conclusion.

[Shockers5150]

Most of you just want power 5s punched. You should maybe read more about the issue before spouting off.

[bleednblackngold]

Most of you just want power 5s punched. You should maybe read more about the issue before spouting off.

You serious Clark?

[WstateU]

You serious Clark?

[pogo]

Most of you just want power 5s punched. You should maybe read more about the issue before spouting off.

I think maybe you should explain the issue to the rest of us morons. Or perhaps what you see as the issue

[mattdalt]

I think maybe you should explain the issue to the rest of us morons. Or perhaps what you see as the issue

This is an interesting read:

https://www.theringer.com/2017/10/13/16471704/north-carolina-academic-fraud-ncaa-investigation-findings

[DUShock]

This is an interesting read:

https://www.theringer.com/2017/10/13...ation-findings

This guy is nothing but a blue blood parrot, just look at his list of stories: Louisville, KU, UNC, Duke...

[Walker]

I wonder if Louisville can come back after all of this and say, "Hey, we should have our 2013 title reinstated because we made hookers and blow available to non-athlete students as well. We can verify that 47% non-athletes benefited from the hookers and blow program, and those numbers climb to a stout 53% when you count the the students that chose either hookers or blow rather than both."

[DUShock]

I wonder if Louisville can come back after all of this and say, "Hey, we should have our 2013 title reinstated because we made hookers and blow available to non-athlete students as well. We can verify that 47% non-athletes benefited from the hookers and blow program, and those numbers climb to a stout 53% when you count the the students that chose either hookers or blow rather than both."

Bingo

[Aargh]

I'm reluctantly starting to see the NCAA's position on this. If a school is offering "no work" classes and athletes are taking them, that's an issue for the accreditation of the university, and not an NCAA issue.

It gives athletes at schools offering the "no work" classes an advantage over athletes at every other - well, every other legitimate school. Even a single no work class gives that athlete more time to spend on athletic, rather than academic, endeavors. It creates a recruiting advantage when players tell recruits they can get credit for classes they don't have to attend or study for.

The NCAA isn't concerned with the quality of classes offered by schools. There are other issues involved in this situation. The NCAA's decision to take no action on athletes getting credit for classes that don't actually require any work is a huge step down a very slippery slope.

[The Mad Hatter]

I get the notion that the NCAA doesn't have jurisdiction over the courses themselves since it isn't an exclusively athletics issue, but as others have noted, what I don't understand is how the NCAA could argue that said classes have no bearing on the eligibility of UNC athletes (and therefore the wins of UNC athletics by playing ineligible athletes). The NCAA regularly declares students ineligible based on failing to meet academic standards in their coursework (especially high school coursework). In what world does the NCAA not have jurisdiction to likewise rule that known academic fraud at UNC invalidates the eligibility of athletes involved and therefore requires wins from those athletes to be vacated (and even the claim that the students and coaches didn't know it was wrong - which itself seems dubious - is irrelevant since the NCAA's ruling on eligibility based on coursework are not about intent, but about academic standards).